i dont support either biden or trump but please go search what trump was doing when working with israel during his term lol if you think thats all he did

You can disagree but I am not engaging in tribalism.

Fact is, the "Trump will just let Israel genocide Gaza worse, you should still #VoteBlue" gang doesn't want to admit that October 7, and the Israeli blitzkrieg of Gaza in response, would never have happened if Trump was still president

Part of the incentive for the Hamas attack at the juncture that it happened was because they felt under a Democrat president they could manipulate the situation better. If Trump was president, they would know he would have no compunction letting Israel unload even harder and they wouldn't have tried it

Speaking in a purely realpolitikal sense, the "Support Palestine and Vote Biden" position is total cope. The OP is correct

where did u find that was part of the incentive ?

In the archives

what

straight outta twitter

The Hamas attack happened because Netanyahu purposely egged them on because he wanted an excuse to go into Gaza for his religious right wing base.

laughs in straight outta my real actual life seeing the target near me criminally price gouging before they "closed down due to shoplifters"

Keep on kneepading for them crackers though bro

Voting Trump to own the crackers! We’ve come full circle.

you fr sound mad stupid icl

There were many factors and incentives at play between the different parties involved

But even looking at it from the Israeli side, it was much more likely to happen while a Democrat was president to make it harder for the Democrats to oppose what was happening. If Trump is president during this invasion, the American domestic opposition is even stronger because they link it to their hatred of Trump and their association between him and the international radical-populist right (such as Bibi).

Instead, because Biden is president, the opposition is more divided

Maybe so, but the discussion at hand is who we should elect in 2024, so it’s irrelevant.

Price gouging isnt a thing happening rn?

Yes or no question.

1. price gouging has been happening probably since the start of time
2. if you are saying that price gouging is caused by inflation then you must find out why that inflation is happening (It's not just America that is experiencing inflation btw).

It's not though, since the contention is that "pro-Palestine" people whose main issue is stopping Israel from killing people in Gaza should still vote for Biden, either because Trump is a more dangerous Zionist jingoist or at least because they'd be equally bad for Palestine (but Trump is worse domestically)

However, because Trump is such an unabashed Zionist jingoist Republican, I do argue that Trump being elected might bring the slaughter to an end more proximately than if Biden is re-elected

Not because Trump is some anti-war hero or peace-lover but precisely because everyone knows the GOP and Trump, being more jingoistic, will be willing to let Israel off the leash even more (and also want to bring things to a quicker conclusion than letting the optics drag on for more months)

if Trump's elected both Israel and Hamas could be incentivized to come to some sort of accord more quickly. Not for super moral or happy reasons, but based on genuine self-interested incentives all the same

With that being said I still think most people will pick Biden or Trump based on domestic issues in the end

I could see Hamas being more incentivized, but why would Trump’s election make the Israeli’s more incentivized to come to a day? In any case I hope we never have to find out if this is true or not.

Most people will vote on domestic issues but you wouldn’t know it browsing on ktt

the fact most people vote on domestic issues is primarily why Trump has had an edge in so many polls recently, even those which historically were oversampled among D+ voters. Foreign issues only slightly move the needle when looked at as a supplement. The reality of this isn't because Biden is a particularly uniquely bad president - it's rather that he's simply not a great one (physical presence/cognitive ability aside). The context of negativity around Trump is far more contextual than it is about actual policy. Many people don't particularly care about his legal drama and most people don't especially care about J6. That doesn't mean the general public "agrees" as much as it just doesn't register to the extent the wider pro-D public wants it to; if anything the harking over it made many people take it less seriously. The real saving grace for D voters has really been the GOP's absolutely rëtardëd stance on abortion (no less the venture now into IVF and the like); however, Trump is not really substantially tied to these pushes and if anything has attempted to push them off knowing they're bad for optics. This isn't to say there isn't a direct role he's played (judges, decentralization, etc.) but in terms of voter politics, that's a more removed thing to push when he's saying the opposite on TV. In terms of domestic issues, most of what he's actually talked about on paper is agreeable with the american public especially as he's largely dropped the "stolen election" angle and instead has played the "unfair political landscape/weaponized politics" angle, something far believable to people who already dislike establishment politicians. Trump's battle with the insitutional GOP (look at recent RNC news) also further inflames that. A standard democrat like Biden might have the edge vs domestic controversy based on other factors (just based on R vs D alone - it's not going to be economics, "tough on crime", etc. because he needs a wall of text to explain why he's done anything meaningful), but he's largely positioned himself as a foreign-policy president. At his SOTU it took him almost 30 minutes (after being 30 minutes late) before he even mentioned the US, instead focusing on Ukraine, Israel, etc. - this then emphasizes further this is what he thinks he should be judged on, which pushes the needle's balance back in terms of voter sentiment. Without the edge of actual domestic issues and with negative edge on foreign issues, the only differentiating factor is A) how much voters tie abortion to Trump innately and B) how much people care about certain legal drama.

He likely focused on foreign policy in SOTU because he is thinking in terms of his legacy. He is likely operating from the belief that the election is more or less in the bag, as the polls are already starting to turn toward Biden and the economy is improving, and sentiment on the economy lags behind the actual state by about 6 months to a year. Not only that, but despite the narrative in the country turning overwhelmingly anti Biden, the Dems still overperformed in the 2022 election. It’s quite common historically for the eventual winner of the election to be down in the polls a year out. Agree with you wrt to abortion but also another thing that could hurt Trump is this whole push to raise the retirement age. That is precisely what people don’t want to hear right now. You could argue it isn’t specifically tied to Trump but all of these things will hurt him at the margins.

Edit: needless to say if Ukraine falls before the election Biden is toast.

What I'm ultimately saying on both sides of Biden & Trump that what helps/hurts them the most at this point is a collection of marginal cuts respectively because neither has a particular direct advantage. Even the discussion of if it's morally okay to vote for Biden in light of Israel's actions in Palestine is ultimately a marginal cut because Biden has done so little to justify voting either way to begin with. The "moral justification to vote for Trump in light of GOP's stance on IVF & abortion" may be a (less grave but regardless) mirror of such. In terms of policy there's very little reason to vote for Biden (bad foreign policy, middling domestic policy, falling quality of life in the US) vs Trump (disjointed policy, legally questionable history, highly polarizing presidency).

You don’t think Biden’s legislative achievements are significant? He won my vote off CHIPS alone

To me the main domestic issue is honestly control of the NLRB

If you're a pro-unioncel, there's no way you can afford to vote for Trump -- because if he gets in and swings the NLRB back his way, unions are toast

I think yall get too caught up in thinking that your voice matters on a national scale election.

It doesn't matter who is in charge, as long as the people who influence the person in charge still thinks the same.

What they are doing to Palestinians is the same thing they were doing to them 20 years ago just on a larger scale. That spans multiple regimes

If they gave a s*** about those people they would of nipped it in the bud 30 years ago just like they did when NK invaded SK and every time they've bothered them since

I think CHIPS is decent legislature but it's not a groundbreaking achievement and it's still comparable to many of Trump's protectionist proposals from his presidency.