tbh I don’t expect anyone to do anything immediate about it because it’s not lost on me how liberal democracies work and what type of dynamic they represent. That said, it shouldn’t come as a surprise that people trying to sway others to their voting camp on the grounds of it being said immediate change aren’t seem trustworthy by those who understand the dynamic at hand

this s*** reminds me of what zizek says about ideology, that its true strength comes when people can disavow it and still act according to its guidelines.

he uses the example of the christian church, where the explicit denouncement/confession of sin helps alleviate the guilt of actually committing sin. the idea is that this actually makes it easier to sin.

in the US, the citizen's conscience stays clean through protest and other symbolic gestures agains the palestinian genocide. but let's be real, none of that s*** will actually affect what's happening on the ground. we erase our guilt, but the sinning continues.

yes, that’s what everyone but the biden brigade has been saying to do itt

nah this is just you telling yourself it’s okay to vote for genocide

like you’re literally undermining the entire protest if you just go and vote for genocide right after

not even trying to s*** on palestine demonstrators or whatever. Like i fully get where they're coming from and it's not like they aren't trying. I don't think it's consciously disingenuous, at least not for most people.

just saying that personally I feel kind of disillusioned w that stuff. I don't have a suggestion for what else people should do either, I mean let them cook. to me tho, if it's not actually making a difference in Gaza, then it's really not that deep.

it’s like going to a protest against CFA because they donate to anti-LGBTQ+ things then getting dinner at CFA that night

you’re just a poser trying to earn cool points by claiming you support a cause but you clearly don’t actually give a s***

this is a literal genocide we’re talking about, and you’re trying to look cool by saying you’re against it but clearly don’t actually care about it at all

“you get two choices here in america” have you considered that the action of voting itself is a choice as well? you don’t HAVE to vote for genocide

“if you don’t vote blue, project 2025”

well if the dems really need votes from people who support Palestine, they should try not funding a genocide against Palestinians

“if you don’t vote blue, bad things will happen, but if you do vote blue, bad things will still happen except we pretend they don’t” f*** all the way off

wtf does that even mean "vote for genocide"

there's not a box on the ballot for that. u vote for a GUY. and u only get two real choices, both of which probably entail more genocide to come. there is no anti-genocide choice on the ballot. so in a sense, u could say any vote at all is "pro-genocide". but wtf does that mean when the voter isn't pro-genocide, and has no other option. are we saying voting is just inherently evil? I mean what about all the other issues people are worried about?

take someone who cares deeply abt Roe v Wade and votes for Biden bc they are scared of Trump going all in on an abortion ban. Are we supposed to consider them evil now, just because they participated in democracy?

could u tell me what not voting is going to do for anybody?

I mean that is the most obviously symbolic gesture imo. What effect will that have on anything at all?

party loses election because of their stance on Palestine

party changes stance on Palestine

simple as that

don’t give me any “this is the most important election of our lives” bs either because that’s every election according to the dems

let me reiterate. Voting (or not voting) WILL NOT have a real impact on what happens in Gaza. We know this.

it could have a real impact on other things though. I think it's dumb to ignore that just so u can declare all voters morally inferior to yourself.

if the act of voting will have no effect on the genocide in palestine, then it's dumb to say that the act of voting is "pro-genocide"

to me this sounds naive as f***. u really think dems would change their stance on israel? most ur getting from them is more lip service foh

wayyyy too much money involved for them to flip.

oh they def won’t flip

but that means they won’t get my vote

so who is getting ur vote? or are u abstaining?

politics worldwide is a joke

i’ll probably write in “ceasefire” or something — i’d assume enough people are doing that that it’d make a bigger impact than most 3rd party candidates

Please explain this racism to me

So you’re voting third party?

So y’all do want Project 2025?

That’s all I was asking, no need for the smoke and mirrors

the threat of project 2025 is dem fearmingering repackaged

Trump didn’t have an election strategy the last two years so now he threw together something backed by his biggest donors to have a semblance of order

any attacks on marginalized groups and working class will still continue whether it’s a dem or republican president as many states will continue to have Republican state and local governments