Trump would probably ask if he can nuke Gaza, he wanted to nuke a hurricane. He’s a f***ing moron.

No they won’t, Palestinians don’t give a s*** what bourgeois president who will continue to same foreign policy as all bourgeois presidents will

It’s clear you actually don’t talk to any Muslims, Palestinians, any Arab people currently being affected by US imperialism

Fearmingering about nukes doesn’t work

Trump can say whatever he wants, he’s still subservient to the Defense Dpt like all presidents

Liberals said he was gonna push the red button all throughout his last term

Defending X or Y president off foreign policy of all things is just first world privilege and on top of that in America it’s just “who is committing genocide less harmful to me”

You sound f***ing insane and you’re only marginally better than the “fascist” republicans you claim to hate to the rest of the global south

You criticized Biden’s actions but when I criticize trump suddenly the president actually has no say in the matter

Seems like you’re just being a debate bro

You can’t even be a debate bro correctly, resorting to ad hominem on poltical forums is pathetic

I said neither are better or worse for Gaza

Nothing you say can change that

You just care about rhetoric over substance

Otherwise you’d just realize foreign policy for all Us presidents is largely the same and isn’t decided by what campaign promises they do or hand wringing

It doesn’t matter, there is no “debate”

No Us president is worse or better for Gaza unless they actually bring a ceasefire bare minimum to the table

You calling trump a fascist moron doesn’t change that

Who gives a f***

Again you’re cutting through nuance by creating a single point at which someone passes/fails at being “better”, a trump war cabinet would be far far worse for the world, in every conflict

To put it simply, the danger of republicans is their successes, the danger of democrats is their failures

I would like anyone but biden but to deny that he is the lesser of two evils is weird, remember the presidency is way more than just one man, it’s an entire cabinet

There is no worse.

I get what you're saying in that we shouldn't take what Trump/Biden say as indicative of their stance towards the genocide, but there can absolutely be a material difference in there stances towards Israel lol.

Under Trump in 2025 I can see increased support and military expenditure towards Israel, more harsh crackdowns on domestic protests, deportation of international students, even more support for West Bank settlements, etc. Obviously both parties are fully complicit with genocide and these things aren't immune from happening under Biden but that doesn't mean there can't be a worse outcome under Trump

This is what I should’ve said but I’m too dumb

We are in conflict with Russia right now, in the year 2024

For the 300th time US foreign policy is imperialist and no president changing or who they pick for their war cabinet will change that

The same way the war on terror continued thru Bush, Obama, Trump and finally Biden happened to be the president that got left with the task of leaving Afghanistan (although it was Trump’s admin plan)

The same way Vietnam was supported by numerous presidents despite every one before the last wanting to “de escalate”

The same way every president has to kiss ass to Israel

The sooner you realize one bourgeois candidate promising to “end war” the sooner you realize policies aren’t decided by individual actors or largely war cabinet positions especially are held by people already positioned well within NaTsec ranks

You make a lot of strong points but I feel like my point is really just a tangent, all presidents are bad but some are worse. Bush started the Iraq war, Obama ended it, both of them did a lot of bad things but one was substantively much worse.

Yes, but when we give billions to Israel already comrade, Trump essentially “increasing military expenditure” doesn’t mean much when most aid packages get grenlight abyway and Israel has had no qualms getting its money

Now for the domestic situation most comrades on the ground in red states have already met fierce resistance from police. I agree it can get worse but Biden has been fully in lock step with the police force in collusion with the University adminstrations and mainstream media to demonize protestors and restrict criticism of Zionism even further

For West Bank settlements I think the possibility of more being built and lasting successfully just depends on how stable the Zionist project can be and afford to maintain a level of comfort and civilian satisfaction with the current state in Israel without fear of twists ce pushback to be successful. Basically the settlements we see now that aren’t being as built fast or the increased need for more isn’t because the US isn’t giving them more money, but because the Zionist project is finding trouble to stabilize itself with the current contradictions its facing

Like comrade I’m not sure how much more “violent” you could expect protests to get

Of course ever situation in the ground can face more or less police reaction due to the circumstances of a given community and encampment

But I live in a red state and have already seen 20* comrades get arrested and suspended from school from attempted encampments

People have gotten tear gassed, beat, etc very similar to how Trump used state violence to quell protests in 2020

Biden has largely kept the same strategy towards quelling discontent. The only difference is Biden hasn’t commented much on protests directly because of optics and still trying to appeal to hud voter base, but the actions largely still remain the same

Trump increasing the rhetoric I guess will make reactionaries more “embolden” but on the ground police and Zionists are already colluding to disrupt protests and beat left wingers without much qualm from Biden admin

Biden is literally the most fervent Zionist the American government has seen

He literally alienated himself from the Israeli PM after the Sabra Shatala massacre because he told her he’d kill more kids for Israel if he had to

theintercept.com/2021/04/27/biden-israeli-invasion-lebanon

Why Trump would potentially be better for the palestinian cause. They both agree, Trump is just stupid enough to say it how it actually is.

America is going to keep it's control over the middle east no matter who's president

MAGA’s base actually seems to think that Biden has been too soft on Gaza weirdly enough and that he needs to let go of all restraints

Israel receives billions under Biden, but in his $95 billion package for foreign militaries, Ukraine got like 2/3rds of it leaving the rest for Israel and Taiwan, and iirc weapons deliveries to Israel have slowed down in recent months for whatever reason. The outcome of ever expanding support for Israel under Trump wouldn't have an insignificant outcome on the genocide

You know more than me about the on-ground situation out there - has the state response been comparable to the scale of state violence in response to the George Floyd protests? I could see Trump sending in the national guard to disrupt future large-scale demonstrations and encampments and cracking down way harder in general, like cancelling visas and deporting pro-Palestinian students. There was a speaker at a protest a while back talking about how international protests in solidarity with Palestine (especially in the belly of the beast) are uplifting as they show the people of Palestine and Palestinian resistance how much of the world is supporting them, I don't think losing that is insignificant

Mostly agree with you on the last point. Bidens threatened to sanction settlers but ofc that went no where and he caved

Watch him pull all support for Ukraine and send it to Israel

Like comrade I’m not sure how much more “violent” you could expect protests to get

Federal troops being brought in + the last point you mentioned. American fascism knows no bounds. Don't get me wrong the crackdowns on the encampments looked horrific but it can definitely get worse, it wasnt like Kent State

Also I hope you don't think im suggesting that people vote for Biden or overemphasizing the importance of electoral politics lol, im just trying to show that despite their similarities and support of Israel, their can still be a material difference towards the genocide and Israel depending on which party wins

Horrifying possibility

You’re absolutely right, which makes it more horrifying that Trump thinks he’s not being Zionist enough

A consequence of the Biden showing restraint propaganda aimed towards the Liberal crowd + political opponents finding any reason to oppose what the other side is doing.