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  • Feb 16, 2021
    OnyxShine9

    Gatekeeping as it relates to anime and manga is when you preserve the substance of a media by calling out people who use it to be "quirky and different" or "fashionable", for being fake enthusiasts. They have no understanding or desire to understand the depth or substance of the franchises but will use it to promote themselves.

    When the wrong demographic exceeds the core demographic they become the primary demographic, which causes quality of the brand suffers overall because they and have no real standard (or understanding) of what is good or bad about it.

    The more of a household name it becomes, the more the story and quality of art suffers for instance, because the writers/authors start milking it as their cash-cow to please as many people as possible, which typically results in mediocrity on all ends. Something to be said about hunger and quality, etc.

    This generally occurs over the course of years although there are a few exceptions to sensationalized media maintaining quality or improving such as One Piece, AoT, and OPM. But it has happened enough for people to become cautious of something they enjoy becoming commercialized, despite wanting it to succeed as a niche media more than anything. It has nothing to do with "dweebs really stopping Japanese creators from making money".

    finally someone that gets it, shouldn't have taken this long for a quality post like this

  • kainie 🌌
    Feb 16, 2021
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    why does he care what anime people watch lol

  • Feb 16, 2021

    Why isn't hxh on that list?

  • Feb 16, 2021
    OnyxShine9

    Gatekeeping as it relates to anime and manga is when you preserve the substance of a media by calling out people who use it to be "quirky and different" or "fashionable", for being fake enthusiasts. They have no understanding or desire to understand the depth or substance of the franchises but will use it to promote themselves.

    When the wrong demographic exceeds the core demographic they become the primary demographic, which causes quality of the brand suffers overall because they and have no real standard (or understanding) of what is good or bad about it.

    The more of a household name it becomes, the more the story and quality of art suffers for instance, because the writers/authors start milking it as their cash-cow to please as many people as possible, which typically results in mediocrity on all ends. Something to be said about hunger and quality, etc.

    This generally occurs over the course of years although there are a few exceptions to sensationalized media maintaining quality or improving such as One Piece, AoT, and OPM. But it has happened enough for people to become cautious of something they enjoy becoming commercialized, despite wanting it to succeed as a niche media more than anything. It has nothing to do with "dweebs really stopping Japanese creators from making money".

    F*** you making faces for? That's literally what the dude in op said

    You don't even know when someone is "pretending" to like anime or not, y'all just scaring people away by accusing them of doing so lmao

    Weirdo s*** tbh

  • Feb 16, 2021
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    kainie

    why does he care what anime people watch lol

    What no p**** does to a mf

  • Feb 16, 2021
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    KuntaKinte

    The problem is how do you gatekeep an entire medium

    Youre not even gatekeeping fandoms youre gatekeeping an entire series of illustrated works and animated content.

    Its bizarre and arbitrary
    And with DB, Naruto, etc

    These are some of the most popular series in the medium that many other series reference constantly.

    So its like what does he want.

    And in this case popular means good for most of these series

    Most of Shonen Jump are literal classic series like Slam Dunk, YYH, Demon Slayer, Naruto, One Piece, Fist of the North Star, Death Note.

    Unless youre reading Endless and GUNM tier series back to back most series are unironically not better than the s*** that aired on Toonami.
    So what exactly is he gatekeeping?

    I'd argue that if you have followed either Shuiesha or Kodansha magazines or their anime adaptations you are clearly a fan of this medium

    I get what you're saying. And it can be a good thing when media is sensationalized and becomes iconic like DBZ and Naruto have to fans of the medium who have grown with these franchises and will understand the nods. I guess there's some bitterness between people when they see these randoms on Twitter who have never seen or read a page or minute of manga or anime posing as enthusiasts in one post then shaming the fandom and franchise the next, because thats what the OP strikes me as more than anything.

    Besides there are levels to being a fan of things. Most all people like movies for examples but we're not all like the enthusiasts on rotten tomatoes checking the background of every director and when every movie comes out. So you can be a fan of anime without being an avid consumer, I think that was what he meant to say.

  • kainie 🌌
    Feb 16, 2021
    soapmanwun

    What no p**** does to a mf

    he mad as s*** lmao

  • Feb 16, 2021
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    OnyxShine9

    I get what you're saying. And it can be a good thing when media is sensationalized and becomes iconic like DBZ and Naruto have to fans of the medium who have grown with these franchises and will understand the nods. I guess there's some bitterness between people when they see these randoms on Twitter who have never seen or read a page or minute of manga or anime posing as enthusiasts in one post then shaming the fandom and franchise the next, because thats what the OP strikes me as more than anything.

    Besides there are levels to being a fan of things. Most all people like movies for examples but we're not all like the enthusiasts on rotten tomatoes checking the background of every director and when every movie comes out. So you can be a fan of anime without being an avid consumer, I think that was what he meant to say.

    bro he said what he said in plain f***ing English there's no deeper meaning to his tweet

  • Feb 16, 2021
    soapmanwun

    bro he said what he said in plain f***ing English there's no deeper meaning to his tweet

    aight b

  • Feb 16, 2021
    OnyxShine9

    I get what you're saying. And it can be a good thing when media is sensationalized and becomes iconic like DBZ and Naruto have to fans of the medium who have grown with these franchises and will understand the nods. I guess there's some bitterness between people when they see these randoms on Twitter who have never seen or read a page or minute of manga or anime posing as enthusiasts in one post then shaming the fandom and franchise the next, because thats what the OP strikes me as more than anything.

    Besides there are levels to being a fan of things. Most all people like movies for examples but we're not all like the enthusiasts on rotten tomatoes checking the background of every director and when every movie comes out. So you can be a fan of anime without being an avid consumer, I think that was what he meant to say.

    I really think you are trying to extract more meaning out of someone being a d***head for interactions than there really is.

  • Feb 16, 2021
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    OnyxShine9

    Gatekeeping as it relates to anime and manga is when you preserve the substance of a media by calling out people who use it to be "quirky and different" or "fashionable", for being fake enthusiasts. They have no understanding or desire to understand the depth or substance of the franchises but will use it to promote themselves.

    When the wrong demographic exceeds the core demographic they become the primary demographic, which causes quality of the brand suffers overall because they and have no real standard (or understanding) of what is good or bad about it.

    The more of a household name it becomes, the more the story and quality of art suffers for instance, because the writers/authors start milking it as their cash-cow to please as many people as possible, which typically results in mediocrity on all ends. Something to be said about hunger and quality, etc.

    This generally occurs over the course of years although there are a few exceptions to sensationalized media maintaining quality or improving such as One Piece, AoT, and OPM. But it has happened enough for people to become cautious of something they enjoy becoming commercialized, despite wanting it to succeed as a niche media more than anything. It has nothing to do with "dweebs really stopping Japanese creators from making money".

    the flaw in this is that westerners will never be anime's core demographic.

    the new anime fans will also never become anime's core demographic. the shows are made for japanese people, in japanese, in japan.

    even some of these ""translated"" shows can't really be translated well because of the amount of japanese wordplay/idioms present in the scripts, because they were really not made with any translation to different languages in mind rofl.

  • Feb 16, 2021
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    orangejuice

    the flaw in this is that westerners will never be anime's core demographic.

    the new anime fans will also never become anime's core demographic. the shows are made for japanese people, in japanese, in japan.

    even some of these ""translated"" shows can't really be translated well because of the amount of japanese wordplay/idioms present in the scripts, because they were really not made with any translation to different languages in mind rofl.

    ???

    I mean westerners will become a massive majority of anime's core demographic, or new ways/mediums will be created to satiate that need. Look at Webtoons for example, there is a demand and so as long as there is that desire people will fill that void. Anime at the end of a day to a lot of people is an "aesthetic" that can be pimped out.

  • Feb 16, 2021
    xviii

    ???

    I mean westerners will become a massive majority of anime's core demographic, or new ways/mediums will be created to satiate that need. Look at Webtoons for example, there is a demand and so as long as there is that desire people will fill that void. Anime at the end of a day to a lot of people is an "aesthetic" that can be pimped out.

    They could become it, sure, I'll admit it was hyperbole to say never.

    But right now they sure as hell aren't, and anime are not made with them in mind. Funimation/CR/VRV TRANSLATE and DUB the shows with westerners in mind, but the media itself is not CREATED with westerners in mind.

    Getting mad on twitter about ""Casual"" anime fans is basically an old man yelling at clouds, because even if you've watched 200-300 anime you aren't influencing s***e as a western fan (if you don't speak any Japanese) lmfaoo

  • Feb 16, 2021
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    orangejuice

    the flaw in this is that westerners will never be anime's core demographic.

    the new anime fans will also never become anime's core demographic. the shows are made for japanese people, in japanese, in japan.

    even some of these ""translated"" shows can't really be translated well because of the amount of japanese wordplay/idioms present in the scripts, because they were really not made with any translation to different languages in mind rofl.

    Not the point, and I wasn't exclusively referring to the West or Japan. And it isn't like all of Japan reads manga, so there is a primary demographic within their country as well. I meant that the more of a global household name something becomes, the more quality may suffer in the future. Not that the more popular it becomes in someplace, the more it will cater to someplace.

  • Feb 16, 2021
    Sonyomom

    Damn he really decided to tweet that dumb s***

  • Feb 16, 2021
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    OnyxShine9

    Not the point, and I wasn't exclusively referring to the West or Japan. And it isn't like all of Japan reads manga, so there is a primary demographic within their country as well. I meant that the more of a global household name something becomes, the more quality may suffer in the future. Not that the more popular it becomes in someplace, the more it will cater to someplace.

    word, but this guy (the tweeter) talks alot about how he's afraid about western ""snowflakes"" making their anime more censored and not respecting ""japanese culture"", I'm speaking more to how what you said interacts with his views rather than yours :p

  • Feb 16, 2021
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    xviii

    ???

    I mean westerners will become a massive majority of anime's core demographic, or new ways/mediums will be created to satiate that need. Look at Webtoons for example, there is a demand and so as long as there is that desire people will fill that void. Anime at the end of a day to a lot of people is an "aesthetic" that can be pimped out.

    “or new ways/mediums will be created to satiate that need. “

    You mean like boondocks type stuff? Shows with Japanese aesthetics/influence but made with an American audience in mind?

  • Feb 16, 2021
    orangejuice

    word, but this guy (the tweeter) talks alot about how he's afraid about western ""snowflakes"" making their anime more censored and not respecting ""japanese culture"", I'm speaking more to how what you said interacts with his views rather than yours :p

    Oh. Well all I read was the post in OP, if that's what he meant then... yeah, that'll never happen.

    But you have to admit there is definitely some bitterness behind people with that gatekeeping mentality sometimes.

  • Feb 16, 2021

    Also I didn't wanna say it but I bet a lot of anime fans judge who's a "real" fan or not based on appearances

  • Feb 16, 2021

    None of my faves are on there, so I guess I'm a real one I watch pretty basic ass s*** tho

  • Feb 16, 2021
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    SHAQUILLE

    “or new ways/mediums will be created to satiate that need. “

    You mean like boondocks type stuff? Shows with Japanese aesthetics/influence but made with an American audience in mind?

    Isn't that MHA? I don't read it, but just based on what I've seen.

  • Feb 16, 2021

    Imagine watching any of this s*** anyway lol

  • Feb 16, 2021
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    Dudes ITT arguing over the sanctity of cartoons

  • Feb 16, 2021
    OnyxShine9

    Isn't that MHA? I don't read it, but just based on what I've seen.

    I think the guy who made MHA is Japanese. The show just draws a lot of influence from American comic book hero’s

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