In Ye's Defense

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  • Oct 12, 2022
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    Water Giver

    you know thats not the only thing he said lol even if true

    he literally said they created cancel culture,control s*** from behind the scene and says what he says cant be racist because hes also somehow jewish which cancels out the racism critique

    Them niggas are very politically influential, but I don't know about control

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    Oct 12, 2022
    Water Giver

    you know thats not the only thing he said lol even if true

    he literally said they created cancel culture,control s*** from behind the scene and says what he says cant be racist because hes also somehow jewish which cancels out the racism critique

    Yeah yeah it's f***ed up but not surprising tbh Ye always thought this way about Jewish ppl, it's just the part about encouraging genocide that caught me off guard

  • Oct 12, 2022
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    CrippledGod

    Them niggas did make "I'll pressure you into retracting antisemitic remarks by holding your livelihood over your head" mainstream though. Along with PETA.

    you mean like any other racist or anti remarks that isnt specific to just Jewish people?

  • Oct 12, 2022
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    Water Giver

    Inform us then

    OP did

  • Oct 12, 2022
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    CrippledGod

    Them niggas are very politically influential, but I don't know about control

    Theres way more Christians lol and and that still doesnt mean anything inherently.

    Jewish people are not one conglomerate or a singlular monolith just like black people or Muslims arent etc.

    Also its wording & excuses that lead t them being vilified, killed & abused multiple times through history as a scapegoat.

    There is no getting around it unless you also agree with him or that idea, which most would find wrong, including myself.

  • Oct 12, 2022
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    Water Giver

    you mean like any other racist or anti remarks that isnt specific to just Jewish people?

    Yeah, but people were getting canceled for being antisemitic first before us minorities knew we could play that card.

    I'm not saying it's a bad thing -- people saying wild s*** should definitely face consequences -- I'm just saying that he might be right about the timeline.

  • Oct 12, 2022
    Big Kush

    OP did

    I dont think you actually read ops op

    No he didnt

  • Oct 12, 2022
    Ezio

    Hitler was a master of a e s t h e t i c s if you believe literally every mid-10s artist though

    s*** ugly if u askin me swastika tho was alright. i need to look up if he designed that himself or hired a graphics designer

  • Oct 12, 2022
    Water Giver

    Theres way more Christians lol and and that still doesnt mean anything inherently.

    Jewish people are not one conglomerate or a singlular monolith just like black people or Muslims arent etc.

    Also its wording & excuses that lead t them being vilified, killed & abused multiple times through history as a scapegoat.

    There is no getting around it unless you also agree with him or that idea, which most would find wrong, including myself.

    That's a solid point, and the whole "Jews control everything" should be treated like the meme it is.

    You're right about it creating the opportunity for vilification though, that's how most most genocides/ethnic cleansing start.

  • Oct 12, 2022
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    CrippledGod

    There's actually no way to defend the latest statements he's been making.

    Let's be real.

    It's one thing to have issues with:

    1. The prevalence of abortion and the long term effects/use as population control in the Black community

    2. The condescension with which Democrats treat the Black community and the fact that, despite this, they still fully expect the Black community to vote among party lines despite not doing much to address the institutionalized discrimination and lack of opportunity

    3. The fact that our so-called leaders have co-opted and will continue to co-opt movements for personal gain like the organizers of BLM, our thought leaders like Tariq and Dr. Umar, and Pentecostal pastors.

    I mean, those are debatable points. But it's another thing altogether to encourage genocide and discrimination against minorities, no matter how powerful you think the "Jews" are.

    It's gotten to a point where Ye is spitting rhetoric as toxic as the most vile KKK member, and we need to stop defending it. How he presents his ideas is every bit as important as the idea itself, so it's the responsibility of the media to stop him from spreading those ideas.

    It's not deplatforming or de-personing, it's simply stopping a person from spewing harmful rhetoric, and it's sad that Ye has finally gotten to that point.

    I think you got a lot of points misunderstood but the second is really not that good

    I never got the "Republicans are the lesser of 2 evils become Democrats can't solve every problem in the black community" opinion that a lot of niggas have

    If you made me choose I'm going democrat every single time I know they're not perfect but if you think Democrats are condescending and don't address the institutionalized discrimination and lack of opportunity wait until you find out what Republicans are doing

    While we're on black Republicans I always think about this sketch from the Key & Peele and how niggas who think they're different are actually all the same

  • Oct 12, 2022
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    CrippledGod

    He's paranoid and mentally ill. It doesn't mean all his opinions have to be dismissed out of hand because of that.

    Tesla wanted to f*** a pigeon but that man still the GOAT.

    Elon Musk wanted to have s***with a pigeon??

  • Oct 12, 2022
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    We Didnt Like That

    I think you got a lot of points misunderstood but the second is really not that good

    I never got the "Republicans are the lesser of 2 evils become Democrats can't solve every problem in the black community" opinion that a lot of niggas have

    If you made me choose I'm going democrat every single time I know they're not perfect but if you think Democrats are condescending and don't address the institutionalized discrimination and lack of opportunity wait until you find out what Republicans are doing

    While we're on black Republicans I always think about this sketch from the Key & Peele and how niggas who think they're different are actually all the same

    !https://youtube.com/watch?v=G2tLyqfJd54

    Yeah, I see your point. I'm not saying automatically vote Republican, I'm saying leverage your votes for tangibles like Killer Mike and Ice Cube (I think) were saying during the last elections.

    Still vote Democrat if you want, but insist on benefits for the community.

  • Oct 12, 2022
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    Chubby Gambino

    Elon Musk wanted to have s***with a pigeon??

    Nah, the real Tesla. He was a wild boy.

  • Oct 12, 2022
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    CrippledGod

    Yeah, but people were getting canceled for being antisemitic first before us minorities knew we could play that card.

    I'm not saying it's a bad thing -- people saying wild s*** should definitely face consequences -- I'm just saying that he might be right about the timeline.

    There is no card playing lol & wrong, people were freely antisemitic for literally centuries until WW2 when soemthing so abhorrent happened to them in mass that was very publicized. & even then it was still a positive thought lead by the KKK, under cover politicians/authorities & rando conspirators going off of old historical scapegoat events & the like

    Also if a Jewish peson happens to be high up in a company then no s*** they wouldnt wont their race s***ted on just like how black n spanish people are starting to get into power too

    That isnt seedy control lol thats called wanting respect & pretty much everyone is deplatformed for being racist in todays age

    From an American point, black people were under control in USA & 2nd class than Jews were in USA which is why "that card" wasnt available nor positions of prominence.

    Really not hard or surprising that the more youre held down & looked down upon the less respect you have fom the majority of that area. Which Jewish people have gone through countless time for a millennia lol mainly due to not being Christian & "not white enough."

    Them getting out from under the foot before black people doesnt mean anything lol almost every race n religion have been persecuted by Euro n USA white even other type of whites which is also a separate crazy side story of itself.

    The thing is is that people talk about "the jews" & "power" in a negative conspirator & rebellious connotation even though Christians are way more in abundance & have way more authority plus being a piece of s*** in modern times just isnt generally accepted in the west, Jew or not, so again that doesnt mean anything.

    There is no credence to in the modern day & barely any in the past, & again, Jews are not a monolith. And their religion is not that high in terms of followers anyways.

  • Oct 12, 2022
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    Everything that antisematics point at the Jews "for" are literally s*** practiced by multiple races n religions & in fact Christianity is way bigger & a harsher offender lol.

    The issue with "just asking questions" is that is almost always in a negative connotation with an assumption already accepted/presumed leading down an ulterior motive.

    While acting like its an inherent & unique "shadowy actions" that are only committed by "all Jews" in large mass.

    You can easily replace Jewish with Muslim to some people which they do. And its still wrong, nor is the group a sole monolith.

    Its white supremacy excuse talk. Nothing more.

  • Oct 12, 2022
    Water Giver

    There is no card playing lol & wrong, people were freely antisemitic for literally centuries until WW2 when soemthing so abhorrent happened to them in mass that was very publicized. & even then it was still a positive thought lead by the KKK, under cover politicians/authorities & rando conspirators going off of old historical scapegoat events & the like

    Also if a Jewish peson happens to be high up in a company then no s*** they wouldnt wont their race s***ted on just like how black n spanish people are starting to get into power too

    That isnt seedy control lol thats called wanting respect & pretty much everyone is deplatformed for being racist in todays age

    From an American point, black people were under control in USA & 2nd class than Jews were in USA which is why "that card" wasnt available nor positions of prominence.

    Really not hard or surprising that the more youre held down & looked down upon the less respect you have fom the majority of that area. Which Jewish people have gone through countless time for a millennia lol mainly due to not being Christian & "not white enough."

    Them getting out from under the foot before black people doesnt mean anything lol almost every race n religion have been persecuted by Euro n USA white even other type of whites which is also a separate crazy side story of itself.

    The thing is is that people talk about "the jews" & "power" in a negative conspirator & rebellious connotation even though Christians are way more in abundance & have way more authority plus being a piece of s*** in modern times just isnt generally accepted in the west, Jew or not, so again that doesnt mean anything.

    There is no credence to in the modern day & barely any in the past, & again, Jews are not a monolith. And their religion is not that high in terms of followers anyways.

    You literally just defined cancel culture. We're not debating if it's a good thing or a bad thing, or if it's deserved or not.

    We're assessing if Ye's statement about punishment for antisemitism by way of lost opportunities and firings was the first mainstream incidence of cancel culture.

    If you can find any earlier instances where people lost jobs because they said wild s*** about a particular gender/race/culture, please let me know.

    I'm willing to admit when I'm wrong.

  • Oct 12, 2022
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    Being anti semitic seems 10000x more likely to get you banned off social media compared to islamophobia or anything else. Just saying

  • Oct 12, 2022
    CrippledGod

    There's actually no way to defend the latest statements he's been making.

    Let's be real.

    It's one thing to have issues with:

    1. The prevalence of abortion and the long term effects/use as population control in the Black community

    2. The condescension with which Democrats treat the Black community and the fact that, despite this, they still fully expect the Black community to vote among party lines despite not doing much to address the institutionalized discrimination and lack of opportunity

    3. The fact that our so-called leaders have co-opted and will continue to co-opt movements for personal gain like the organizers of BLM, our thought leaders like Tariq and Dr. Umar, and Pentecostal pastors.

    I mean, those are debatable points. But it's another thing altogether to encourage genocide and discrimination against minorities, no matter how powerful you think the "Jews" are.

    It's gotten to a point where Ye is spitting rhetoric as toxic as the most vile KKK member, and we need to stop defending it. How he presents his ideas is every bit as important as the idea itself, so it's the responsibility of the media to stop him from spreading those ideas.

    It's not deplatforming or de-personing, it's simply stopping a person from spewing harmful rhetoric, and it's sad that Ye has finally gotten to that point.

    he did not mean that he wants genocide

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    How do people seriously think he meant that he wants a genocide of jews? You are all dumb as f***

  • Oct 12, 2022
    Water Giver

    Everything that antisematics point at the Jews "for" are literally s*** practiced by multiple races n religions & in fact Christianity is way bigger & a harsher offender lol.

    The issue with "just asking questions" is that is almost always in a negative connotation with an assumption already accepted/presumed leading down an ulterior motive.

    While acting like its an inherent & unique "shadowy actions" that are only committed by "all Jews" in large mass.

    You can easily replace Jewish with Muslim to some people which they do. And its still wrong, nor is the group a sole monolith.

    Its white supremacy excuse talk. Nothing more.

    People don't routinely lose jobs because they say they are atheists or that the Catholic Church covers for pedophilia.

    I can call the Pope all types of foul s*** on Twitter rn and I guarantee I won't see any smoke.

  • Oct 12, 2022
    Clb sexman

    Being anti semitic seems 10000x more likely to get you banned off social media compared to islamophobia or anything else. Just saying

    This is true

  • Oct 12, 2022
    Clb sexman

    How do people seriously think he meant that he wants a genocide of jews? You are all dumb as f***

    Could you please post the quote?

  • Oct 12, 2022

    Again, all I'm trying to do here is call out the BS that Ye says while giving his more sensible points the consideration they deserve.

  • Oct 12, 2022

    Kanye West

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    really liked this post until the assertion that he "promoted genocide"

    let's think about this for like 5 seconds before we post lmao