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  • This came up on my recommended. It's 20 minutes long so im sure not everyone will find it interesting but am interested in what people think

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    TragedyBerlusconi

    This came up on my recommended. It's 20 minutes long so im sure not everyone will find it interesting but am interested in what people think

    !https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zqNDHBtl8U&ab_channel=Whatifalthist

    Too long didnt watch:

    the demographic pressures have ended a period of wage growth- this has created a demographic shock

    society has become more polarised as the left are composed of youth, academics and people with high cultural capital while the right are predominantly religious people, businessmen etc

    the right ceased to accomodate the left beginning in the reagan era, and the left reacted by fighting right wing culture war with left wing culture war. This has caused america to polarise and grow more divided

    this polarisation has resulted in the right becoming hyperindividualist and laissez faire, while the left has integrated a huge amount of critical theory. im not saying either position is wrong and dont want to give my opinion- but it has resulted in greater division than at any previous time

    add in the internet and mass communication, we are in chaotic times of conflicting information

    a civil war is unlikely but would result in a wipeout victory for the right

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    It’s trumps fault

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    flackojodye

    It’s trumps fault

    man

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    K watching now

  • AR15

    K watching now

    love to see it

  • Watching now OP I live for YouTube videos like this

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    TragedyBerlusconi

    man

    I mean it is

    Life got worse as soon as he became a serious candidate

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    Facebook

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    Havent watched yet but im gonna assume propaganda from foreign countries and manipulation by the gop to give validity to conspiracy theorists.

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    TragedyBerlusconi

    This came up on my recommended. It's 20 minutes long so im sure not everyone will find it interesting but am interested in what people think

    !https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zqNDHBtl8U&ab_channel=Whatifalthist

    first minute makes me not want to watch

    --the distinction pre/post ww2 is nominal at best. the us entered the european theatre at a stage the war was essentially over and overtook the pacific with a bluff. there's little military-hegemonic supremacy being demonstrated there

    --the us has always had 'internal hatred' and 'seething'. nearly every early election ended with the threat of militia uprising by design, which lead to amendments like the 12th. leaders killed each other in duels (famously, burr-hamilton). the slavery question was always an extreme point of contention; jefferson anticipated civil war from it, and the history of early congress is the history of compromising to push away the inevitability of it. (things like, 'is expansion constitutional? is this new territory a free or slave state?' are basic questions american students are familiar with because they generated so much hostility)
    the biggest conflicts in america have been between 'big city vs rural/suburb', 'catholic vs protestant', and 'slave vs free'. it is because of these unique dynamics that prohibition was passed in such tense domestic conditions. the history of restoration, as well, doubles as a history of seething. ulysses grant's laws are something to look up

    -- america has always been 'inept' at acting on an 'international scale' due to constituents' universal isolationism. henry kissinger is the sole reason that america, in the late 20th century, ever began forceful international relations through 'détente', and this was thoroughly criticized by both political spectrums, and for good reason. reagan & bush are the nadir of these policies. (see: contras, s*** like this)

    --'meanwhile, american culture seems to degenerate'-- american culture has always been seen as 'degenerate' because of its "simple" and "mixed" nature. if it isn't pump they're picking on it's 'hillbilly music', 'jazz', or 'race music'.
    this is actual, almost beat for beat, imperial japan's delusional reasoning for feeling they could execute pearl harbor with no serious fear of american retaliation: because americans 'listen to degenerate music' and have 'Jews in high places', so they cannot be competent enough to engage in sincere warfare.

    whatever problems america has, very little new has been seen. trump, even, is, in effect, a huey long replica.
    america has always been crazy: the world is simply bearing witness to it.

    *i skipped 9 minutes in and he's decrying 'postmodernism', 'french intellectuals' and 'the left' for seeing the 'scientific method' as 'white truths' a 'cultural marxism' dogwhistle narrative under the pretense of some nonsense "objective" demographic a***ysis

    this dude's corny as s***
    if you're foreign and want to learn about america go watch ken burns documentaries

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    “Don’t want to give my opinion”

    Nah son, choose your side

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    yeah it’s demography lul

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    Kaiser

    first minute makes me not want to watch

    --the distinction pre/post ww2 is nominal at best. the us entered the european theatre at a stage the war was essentially over and overtook the pacific with a bluff. there's little military-hegemonic supremacy being demonstrated there

    --the us has always had 'internal hatred' and 'seething'. nearly every early election ended with the threat of militia uprising by design, which lead to amendments like the 12th. leaders killed each other in duels (famously, burr-hamilton). the slavery question was always an extreme point of contention; jefferson anticipated civil war from it, and the history of early congress is the history of compromising to push away the inevitability of it. (things like, 'is expansion constitutional? is this new territory a free or slave state?' are basic questions american students are familiar with because they generated so much hostility)
    the biggest conflicts in america have been between 'big city vs rural/suburb', 'catholic vs protestant', and 'slave vs free'. it is because of these unique dynamics that prohibition was passed in such tense domestic conditions. the history of restoration, as well, doubles as a history of seething. ulysses grant's laws are something to look up

    -- america has always been 'inept' at acting on an 'international scale' due to constituents' universal isolationism. henry kissinger is the sole reason that america, in the late 20th century, ever began forceful international relations through 'détente', and this was thoroughly criticized by both political spectrums, and for good reason. reagan & bush are the nadir of these policies. (see: contras, s*** like this)

    --'meanwhile, american culture seems to degenerate'-- american culture has always been seen as 'degenerate' because of its "simple" and "mixed" nature. if it isn't pump they're picking on it's 'hillbilly music', 'jazz', or 'race music'.
    this is actual, almost beat for beat, imperial japan's delusional reasoning for feeling they could execute pearl harbor with no serious fear of american retaliation: because americans 'listen to degenerate music' and have 'Jews in high places', so they cannot be competent enough to engage in sincere warfare.

    whatever problems america has, very little new has been seen. trump, even, is, in effect, a huey long replica.
    america has always been crazy: the world is simply bearing witness to it.

    *i skipped 9 minutes in and he's decrying 'postmodernism', 'french intellectuals' and 'the left' for seeing the 'scientific method' as 'white truths' a 'cultural marxism' dogwhistle narrative under the pretense of some nonsense "objective" demographic a***ysis

    this dude's corny as s***
    if you're foreign and want to learn about america go watch ken burns documentaries

    Well I appreciate your critique and engagement and I'm glad someone wants to discuss

    I dont entirely think that part about french intellectuals is true but even then, it isnt completely irrelevant and he never decried it as bad, so I think it had its place in the video.
    I cant remember him saying 'cultural Marxism' but even so, it is true critical theory has grown more pervasive in academic institutions and definitely did seep through into politics to a limited extent.

    I feel like you writing that part of the video off is because you are used to worse people like jordan peterson critiquing it, this guy clearly meant it differently.

    Still thanks for your input , I otherwise agree with what you have said

  • Troy Ave Stan

    “Don’t want to give my opinion”

    Nah son, choose your side

    Nah I dont know enough to speak with certainty

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    flackojodye

    I mean it is

    Life got worse as soon as he became a serious candidate

    he was the tipping point in something that’s been brewing since the the 90’s when we sent troops to afghanistan

  • flackojodye

    It’s trumps fault

    Was bad before him but he definitely made it worse

    Definitely not the root of the problem tho

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    Lmaoo

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    Kaiser

    first minute makes me not want to watch

    --the distinction pre/post ww2 is nominal at best. the us entered the european theatre at a stage the war was essentially over and overtook the pacific with a bluff. there's little military-hegemonic supremacy being demonstrated there

    --the us has always had 'internal hatred' and 'seething'. nearly every early election ended with the threat of militia uprising by design, which lead to amendments like the 12th. leaders killed each other in duels (famously, burr-hamilton). the slavery question was always an extreme point of contention; jefferson anticipated civil war from it, and the history of early congress is the history of compromising to push away the inevitability of it. (things like, 'is expansion constitutional? is this new territory a free or slave state?' are basic questions american students are familiar with because they generated so much hostility)
    the biggest conflicts in america have been between 'big city vs rural/suburb', 'catholic vs protestant', and 'slave vs free'. it is because of these unique dynamics that prohibition was passed in such tense domestic conditions. the history of restoration, as well, doubles as a history of seething. ulysses grant's laws are something to look up

    -- america has always been 'inept' at acting on an 'international scale' due to constituents' universal isolationism. henry kissinger is the sole reason that america, in the late 20th century, ever began forceful international relations through 'détente', and this was thoroughly criticized by both political spectrums, and for good reason. reagan & bush are the nadir of these policies. (see: contras, s*** like this)

    --'meanwhile, american culture seems to degenerate'-- american culture has always been seen as 'degenerate' because of its "simple" and "mixed" nature. if it isn't pump they're picking on it's 'hillbilly music', 'jazz', or 'race music'.
    this is actual, almost beat for beat, imperial japan's delusional reasoning for feeling they could execute pearl harbor with no serious fear of american retaliation: because americans 'listen to degenerate music' and have 'Jews in high places', so they cannot be competent enough to engage in sincere warfare.

    whatever problems america has, very little new has been seen. trump, even, is, in effect, a huey long replica.
    america has always been crazy: the world is simply bearing witness to it.

    *i skipped 9 minutes in and he's decrying 'postmodernism', 'french intellectuals' and 'the left' for seeing the 'scientific method' as 'white truths' a 'cultural marxism' dogwhistle narrative under the pretense of some nonsense "objective" demographic a***ysis

    this dude's corny as s***
    if you're foreign and want to learn about america go watch ken burns documentaries

    that donald trump - huey long comparison was spot on

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    Alt history youtuber lol

    We can allude to failures of postmodernism and deconstruction caused this hypernormalcy

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    Nothing seemed real after trump got elected

    Like it was on and off again before 2016 but now it's 24/7 madness

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    TragedyBerlusconi

    Well I appreciate your critique and engagement and I'm glad someone wants to discuss

    I dont entirely think that part about french intellectuals is true but even then, it isnt completely irrelevant and he never decried it as bad, so I think it had its place in the video.
    I cant remember him saying 'cultural Marxism' but even so, it is true critical theory has grown more pervasive in academic institutions and definitely did seep through into politics to a limited extent.

    I feel like you writing that part of the video off is because you are used to worse people like jordan peterson critiquing it, this guy clearly meant it differently.

    Still thanks for your input , I otherwise agree with what you have said

    he created a situation where 'the left' is extreme and a situation where 'the right' is extreme and is essentially presenting, 'the combination of these contrasting elements over time created conflict', but that is to say nothing at all. what's important is what he uses to say the left/the right is extreme, and from his language you can trace the origins of his thought, the stuff he's been reading, and the kind of audience he is communicating to (i.e., the kind that gets off to hearing about cultural marxism and.... 'demographics'....). he is asking the wrong questions and his answers are therefore insignificant.

    granted i am being cynical and ain't really watch like i said but just from the first minute, which i did inspect, i have confidence that this guy isn't thorough.
    even talking about 'degenerate lil pump' is just in a common sense sort of way

    i can assure you deleuze and derrida have little to no effect on congressional policy nor american history at large, and anyone saying anti-oedipus has anything to do with what is going on right now does not understand the essential forces that have formed the nation, forces which are very familiar, forces i gave basic explanations for and references to for further research.

    in all honesty the guy could just be a normal kid and came across some phrases and decided to put them together in a video for himself, but you got to be careful about all of that

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    Kaiser

    he created a situation where 'the left' is extreme and a situation where 'the right' is extreme and is essentially presenting, 'the combination of these contrasting elements over time created conflict', but that is to say nothing at all. what's important is what he uses to say the left/the right is extreme, and from his language you can trace the origins of his thought, the stuff he's been reading, and the kind of audience he is communicating to (i.e., the kind that gets off to hearing about cultural marxism and.... 'demographics'....). he is asking the wrong questions and his answers are therefore insignificant.

    granted i am being cynical and ain't really watch like i said but just from the first minute, which i did inspect, i have confidence that this guy isn't thorough.
    even talking about 'degenerate lil pump' is just in a common sense sort of way

    i can assure you deleuze and derrida have little to no effect on congressional policy nor american history at large, and anyone saying anti-oedipus has anything to do with what is going on right now does not understand the essential forces that have formed the nation, forces which are very familiar, forces i gave basic explanations for and references to for further research.

    in all honesty the guy could just be a normal kid and came across some phrases and decided to put them together in a video for himself, but you got to be careful about all of that

    have you read about the deleuze + guattari idf s***, it's so mad lol

    "The Israeli Defence Forces have been heavily influenced by contemporary philosophy, highlighting the fact that there is considerable overlap among theoretical texts deemed essential by military academies and architectural schools

    The attack conducted by units of the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) on the city of Nablus in April 2002 was described by its commander, Brigadier-General Aviv Kokhavi, as ‘inverse geometry’, which he explained as ‘the reorganization of the urban syntax by means of a series of micro-tactical actions’.1

    During the battle soldiers moved within the city across hundreds of metres of ‘overground tunnels’ carved out through a dense and contiguous urban structure. Although several thousand soldiers and Palestinian guerrillas were manoeuvring simultaneously in the city, they were so ‘saturated’ into the urban fabric that very few would have been visible from the air. Furthermore, they used none of the city’s streets, roads, alleys or courtyards, or any of the external doors, internal stairwells and windows, but moved horizontally through walls and vertically through holes blasted in ceilings and floors. This form of movement, described by the military as ‘infestation’, seeks to redefine inside as outside, and domestic interiors as thoroughfares. The IDF’s strategy of ‘walking through walls’ involves a conception of the city as not just the site but also the very medium of warfare – a flexible, almost liquid medium that is forever contingent and in flux."

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    nosejabs

    have you read about the deleuze + guattari idf s***, it's so mad lol

    "The Israeli Defence Forces have been heavily influenced by contemporary philosophy, highlighting the fact that there is considerable overlap among theoretical texts deemed essential by military academies and architectural schools

    The attack conducted by units of the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) on the city of Nablus in April 2002 was described by its commander, Brigadier-General Aviv Kokhavi, as ‘inverse geometry’, which he explained as ‘the reorganization of the urban syntax by means of a series of micro-tactical actions’.1

    During the battle soldiers moved within the city across hundreds of metres of ‘overground tunnels’ carved out through a dense and contiguous urban structure. Although several thousand soldiers and Palestinian guerrillas were manoeuvring simultaneously in the city, they were so ‘saturated’ into the urban fabric that very few would have been visible from the air. Furthermore, they used none of the city’s streets, roads, alleys or courtyards, or any of the external doors, internal stairwells and windows, but moved horizontally through walls and vertically through holes blasted in ceilings and floors. This form of movement, described by the military as ‘infestation’, seeks to redefine inside as outside, and domestic interiors as thoroughfares. The IDF’s strategy of ‘walking through walls’ involves a conception of the city as not just the site but also the very medium of warfare – a flexible, almost liquid medium that is forever contingent and in flux."

    brazy