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  • May 3, 2024
    spongebob

    Stop complimenting me before I cuff you

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    spongebob

    I get that the US can be safer for some than a lot of other states where conflict is more heavily concentrated

    And I don't blame them for wanting to leave

    However there is enough wrong with it to where I do not think it should be celebrated.

    Oh, for sure. The US is still extremely corrupt. I'm not patriotic; my point is that Jews have the same rights to the United States as you and me, and I'm not trying to change the goal posts. Jews are factually based in the Levant; it just didn't have any official designation until the late 1940s due to global interference, which was wrong, anyway, but they eventually took over completely.

    Think of it like the Kurds who have lived in Turkey, Iran, and Iraq for centuries despite not having an official "home" there, yet.

  • May 3, 2024
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    We must ask ourselves that if US is a refuge for all, whether it’s a matter of virtue or a matter of the US exporting violence internationally

    great point

    we all kind of develop stockholm syndrome, sort of

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    Oh, for sure. The US is still extremely corrupt. I'm not patriotic; my point is that Jews have the same rights to the United States as you and me, and I'm not trying to change the goal posts. Jews are factually based in the Levant; it just didn't have any official designation until the late 1940s due to global interference, which was wrong, anyway, but they eventually took over completely.

    Think of it like the Kurds who have lived in Turkey, Iran, and Iraq for centuries despite not having an official "home" there, yet.

    To clarify I was speaking of "Israelis" not Jews as a whole in my initial post

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    spongebob

    To clarify I was speaking of "Israelis" not Jews as a whole in my initial post

    What even is "Israeli" though?

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    What even is "Israeli" though?

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    Just to clarify,

    I'm not pro-Israel or Zionist; rather, I come from a Muslim and Christian background and am POC.

    But this is not true. Jews have lived alongside Muslims in the Levant for millennia, even before Islam was introduced.

    The United States is a refuge for all, not just Jews, and the reason Jewish people fled back to Jerusalem to establish "Israel" was to escape centuries of discrimination against them in the US and EU, not just during WWII. WWII was the straw that broke the camel's back.

    You also have to realise there are like 3-4 ethnic Jewish groups (Sephardic, Ashkenazi, Mizrahi, Ethiopian, etc), some that haven't lived with each other in thousands of years. Israel was made to home them all, but obviously made in corruption.

    Israel is not a home to all Jewish groups

  • May 3, 2024
    spongebob
    !https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wtvXoXh0VU

    if you mean zionists who believe arab jews and ethiopian jews, and even other groups shouldn't live among them, i agree

  • May 3, 2024
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    Leftside

    Israel is not a home to all Jewish groups

    Almost all

    Besides Ethiopians, who else?

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    Just to clarify,

    I'm not pro-Israel or Zionist; rather, I come from a Muslim and Christian background and am POC.

    But this is not true. Jews have lived alongside Muslims in the Levant for millennia, even before Islam was introduced.

    The United States is a refuge for all, not just Jews, and the reason Jewish people fled back to Jerusalem to establish "Israel" was to escape centuries of discrimination against them in the US and EU, not just during WWII. WWII was the straw that broke the camel's back.

    You also have to realise there are like 3-4 ethnic Jewish groups (Sephardic, Ashkenazi, Mizrahi, Ethiopian, etc), some that haven't lived with each other in thousands of years. Israel was made to home them all, but obviously made in corruption.

    what is this bullshit

    zionism has nothing to do with "escaping discrimination", its more like a mystified form of self-hatred where "jews" cannot live peacefully with "regular society". racism in israel is not an issue of corruption, zionism was founded as a colonial project.

  • May 3, 2024
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    Name

    It is tho

    lmao

  • May 3, 2024
    snowboyrari

    lmao

    I think facts are funny too

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    Hell nah

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    Almost all

    Besides Ethiopians, who else?

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    snowboyrari

    what is this bullshit

    zionism has nothing to do with "escaping discrimination", its more like a mystified form of self-hatred where "jews" cannot live peacefully with "regular society". racism in israel is not an issue of corruption, zionism was founded as a colonial project.

    literally where did I mention zionism?

    seeking refuge =! colonialism and zionism

    I understand that it became a project to seek refuge from genocide and racism into the corruption and racism we see today, but I'm explaining the nuances of how Jews literally lived in Jerusalem for millennia. In no way shape or form does my comment refer to modern-day Israel, which is beyond recognition and corrupt beyond belief, led by Bibi who literally murders any peaceful politicians en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Yitzhak_Rabin

    before the 1900s jews were constantly slandered, almost as much as black people, romanis and indigenous people, wouldn't you want to create a world where you don't have to deal with that anymore?

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    Name

    How is it not. The U.S. has historically taken in people from all backgrounds fleeing whatever issue happening elsewhere

    the US deported jews back to germany to die in the gas chambers while they were rounding up the japanese into concentration camps

  • May 3, 2024
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    snowboyrari

    the US deported jews back to germany to die in the gas chambers while they were rounding up the japanese into concentration camps

    Yes that’s a fact. There were other things also happening it’s not that black and white

  • May 3, 2024

    I think I get you now. The US is a refuge to anyone who kisses the boot

    My bad, i just caught it

  • May 3, 2024

    Except still racist

  • May 3, 2024

    Bait thread (but in a good way)

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    What even is "Israeli" though?

    Anyone who occupies Palestine

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    Almost all

    Besides Ethiopians, who else?

    Lol wht

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    Perreo

    I haven't kept up with the s*** in the middle east post the initial October attacks but from what I've gathered seems like both sides (Israel and Palestinians) want the other eliminated completely

    If you ask me seems like american youth has been manipulated into taking an anti Israel stance based on hamas propaganda. A lot of the messaging seems very antisemitic.

    Personally i feel like American youth should be protesting things that effect them at home like cost of tuition or student debt

    All these college kids just seem to he virtue signaling and joining a trend

    I don't agree with the US backing Israel nor do i agree with the years of oppression the Palestinians have faced but tbh its not my problem. All i can do is use my power to vote and unfortunately Israel is the US's proxy into the middle east so they kind of have to d***ride in order to secure American military imperialism

    This is the cost of living a privileged western lifestyle

    no offense but this is the average take of someone who knows very little about the actual conflict and is just very cynical about the whole thing. if you want to actually cure this ignorance it's very possible like i can definitely educate you myself or send you resources to do so yourself but if not let me know so i don't waste my time. i mean this with all due respect

  • May 3, 2024
    Name

    Yes that’s a fact. There were other things also happening it’s not that black and white

    "its complicated"

    oh ok. maybe if you were imprisoned in a racist concentration camp for japanese people you wouldn't think that way. or a haitian or mexican migrant today who faces deportation. or a native person forced onto a reservation.

    i think youre full of s*** is what I think.

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    eye contact

    Lol wht

    If you are ethnically Jewish don't you literally have rights to an Israeli citizenship? Am I getting something wrong?

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