JIK overhated imo

Gotta let them know when they’re dropping bullshit or they’ll never figure it out

I recently heard that the singer from Creed apparently did take the beating he was taking in the press, etc. as constructive criticism and did make a concerted effort to enunciate his words less strangely over the course of their recorded output, but I dunno, he still sounds like Eddie Vedder with an underbite to my ears.

Drake already been getting shat on for his lazier work, it hasn't made anything better. Long as he does numbers i don't think he gives a f***.

Was Mac Miller someone who was kind of clowned/counted out into making better art or did he seem to be heading in that R&B direction anyway?

Calling s*** lazy is the f***ing laziest criticism in existence LMAO

Agreed, generally takes are as simple as “this s*** is trash” with an out of context 5-10 second clip of a song and that’s it, or undeserved immediate admiration which can only be deemed suspicious at best.

S*** even the “more critical” takes just boil down to “they did something new and it’s bad” or “they keep making the same music, it’s old”.

Not a lot of a***ysis on lyricism, structure of albums, themes, songwriting or actual sonic quality (mixing/mastering/layering/etc.).

And while I’ll concede not every hip-hop album needs the same amount of time to get the work or understand it, because of how social media is and the thirst to have your voice heard and striking while the iron is hot, we get some of the most basic criticisms/analysis or just straight up dog s*** takes (cause the project had no time to sit with the audience to understand it or engage with it properly).

It’s an age of anti-intellectualism in consumption of the medium. I think that’s why more than ever artists arnt likely to take feedback seriously or the ones that do are taking the wrong feedback (the immediate backlash feedback instead of the constructive feedback).

Mac Miller was only really hated on when he released his first major album, he worked harder after that tho

but for a critical a***ysis you need time, patience, and an appreciation and understanding of the art you can't ask the regular consumer that

this applies to all arts, and also applies to politics, health etc.

so even tho I agree that most critics are done on a surface level, artists need to take all those into account

because the general population that gives s***ty critics are the ones that are making artists get their bread, so the feedback is extremely important, 500 common listeners that dislike something are way more valuable than 5 critics that adore a project

It’s Crazy how people will scream honestly, never mind is a step forward in terms of creativity for drake but all it shows is how lazy of an artist he is.

He stepped outta his usuals and still made souless music

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Probably only if your ego has gone past the point of keeping it honest with yourself creativity, which is what happened with chance. Creative feedback is good but some hate can just be blind hate and doesn't benefit anyone

Think about the backlash WLR got off rip, a few mongrels on twitter called it trash, the sheep parroted the opinion, and you couldn’t avoid negative sentiment towards it for weeks after release.

Now it’s widely regarded as his best work, a fan and critic favorite and clearly is still very popular with the masses.

Because Carti is a strong artist who moves silently and has never stayed stagnant sonically, it likely wouldn’t have affected him, but still, those are the opinions we are supposed to be taking seriously and listening to???

thats a great example fam I love WLR and saw the backlash

but one thing is an initial backlash and still doing great numbers and people coming back to it

for example The Big Day had none of that, people genuinely dont care about the album, Drake's number even tho they are great show that people aren't that interested in the album

I feel like thats not the same bro

Chance is rapping better but hes not making good music tthey are just freestyles about mostly nothing

We CANNOT let the spaghetti eating ass fake mafioso monotone boring mob pretenders wearing fedoras in the corner of their dark room win the war

I listened to half of the new Logic album last night and thought s*** was REALLY good so I have to say yes
But then again, Logic seems to have spent a lot of time reacting negatively to his hate and criticism, took a long time to get here

they thought i was GAY

I disagree, Highs and Lows, Child of God and The Heart & The Tongue are all great

this style of writing is really working for me

constructive criticism is a good thing

Donda sucked d***

but i guess it sucked less than JIK

well hate isnt good, cause its essentialy a toxic poison ur feeding from, which is when addicted, very dangerous..

so no hate is not good for no one

its just that artists are usually sensitive ppl, but they also tend and need to be very focused ppl as they internalize alot
so alot may have this ability to let us say "dissect" this hate and find meaning from the sources and then turn their projections/hate towards u, in a empowering hymne of ur own
making it ur strength

other ppl may not be able to do this, cause at the end of the day its still hate...
theres a reason why artists sometimes take yrs to drop, just to rehabilitate, find sollitude and self love to heal

artists are just willing to take the hate, by being leaders of a gen
and they thus put themselves wilingly in the front line of self harm and "torture" to help us see our way through it in a therapeutic but relatin way

Critique is always good for an artist especially if the artist can view it objectively and be able to filter out the personal jabs that may coincide via the internet.

But is the criticism going to have a significant effect on artists like drake? Doubt it, he’s in that rare air where’s he able to do whatever he wants creatively without the label in his ear about it.

I would say it matters to every artist except Drake, Ye, etc

Artist may feel like the art is an extension of themselves, so when it’s panned I’m sure it hurts. But it’s part of the gig. I dont think this album is panned btw