ja rule sold better look it up bro

jay had impact not arguing that

also 50 in his prime clears jay at any point no contest

You can go back and look at all the big media lists from a decade ago and Jay is around in the top 5 in all of them but almost never at the top. Now he's undisputed at the top of all of them. The only thing he's added to his catalogue in that time in 4:44, which, while a great album, isn't enough to push him into that position.

So the way I see it there are three explanations:
1. An orchestrated media push in his favor
2. Everybody deciding to just start appreciating him more despite him putting out almost no new music
3. Simply a factor of passing time–we've gotten far enough away from the previous GOATs of Pac and Big that the people now making the lists prefer Hov, a rapper they're more likely to have grown up with.

Honestly it's probably the third option but I think there's a good mix of option 1 involved as well, primarily because you never even hear the major criticisms against Jay anymore.

There wasn't really an era where Hov stood supreme as thee guy to beat, but even in his prime, he was holding his own against some real killers. Bottomless bars

Ja Rule never had an album that sold as much as Volume 2.

And Black Album and Vol. 3 sold roughly the same as Pain Is Love and Rule 3:36 in the States.

Sure...Ja had a hotter moment in terms of radio hits from 2000-2002 but saying he had a "bigger" impact than Jay is hilariously revisionist.

No and no

if ur a lame nigga then yes

Ja and X had brighter burning stars in their very short primes but Vol 2 was also massive and Jay has longevity on his side

Bro really doesn't like Hov lmao

ktt2.com/will-hov-stand-the-test-of-time-32570209

Musically no as a person yes

he's not boring but he's not a goat either

Well, I don't believe in objective GOAT's per say.

But I will say that Jay fits the criteria for it well enough like some others.

I mean...there's niggas who have Biggie as the GOAT and that dude's run was cut short with only 2 albums(maybe 4 if you include the Junior Mafia album and Born Again).

I do believe Jay has become more of a consensus GOAT among mainstream publications but I think his financial success and relatively safe/non-controversial image play a role in that.

That plus the fact that the media started wanting to give more living rappers post Pac/Biggie chances to be considered GOAT's and Nas failed to sustain his mainstream appeal beyond 2002 compared to Jay.

imagine me riding top down with my b****, hot summer day, music blasting otw to day drink at lunch and she smiling to me rapping along the music

and then a nigga on KTT2 say this :vlosereave:

These days yes. But he a legend

could have been true but 4:44 proved the opposite

Stop. Jay is one of the most quoted and sampled rappers ever

People will attribute “I was gonna kill a couple rappers but they did it to themselves” or “it’s crazy how one verse can f*** up the game” to Kendrick when they’re both Jay Z lyrics. Then y’all wanna turn around and say he wasn’t influential or impactful

i don’t think you can judge someone off who they think is the goat unless it’s egregious

top 5 is a better indicator

like if someone says doom is their goat irs a 50/50 on whether they’re gonna have good taste or jpegmafia in their top 5

Honestly, this happens all the time, especially on hip hop social media.

Niggas will diminish Jay's impact while quoting his bars not realizing the irony.

"It was all good just a week ago."

"Is it Oochie Wally or One Mic."

"We don't believe you. We need more people."

"That's one hot album every 10 year average."

"Men lie. Women lie. Numbers don't"

"We was praising Billboard when we was young"

"Grand opening. Grand closing."

Etc.

Y’all better off being WWE fans rather than hip hop heads

LMFAOOOO.

F*** no.

What’s up with these whack ass threads