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  • Feb 12
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    Vlonely

    I agree with most of this post but he's certainly had iconic songs post-Yeezus

    Father stretch
    Ghost town
    Hurricane
    Praise God
    And now vultures

  • agneyastra

    Father stretch
    Ghost town
    Hurricane
    Praise God
    And now vultures

    Praise God and Vultures are not iconic lol

    FSMH for sure though

  • Feb 12
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    50 Cent and Eminem can do the same as Kanye and would not get cancelled

  • k dog 99

    How is it "doing numbers"?

    Do we have any predictions for sales?

    60 m streams first day

  • Feb 12

    if you have a strong enough fanbase you can't be canceled look at nicki and carti

  • Feb 12
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    Mr Bojangles

    I think people tend to overinflate TLOP's quality and hype, but in any event, I was talking about the music in particular.

    Because while Kanye's overall brand may have been at peak popularity with TLOP, the music definitely was not.

    There are no songs on TLOP as iconic as "Stronger", "Can't Tell Me Nothing", "Good Life", "Heartless" or his guest verses on "Put On" or "Run This Town".

    are you kidding ? that TLOP event was the biggest talking point of the year in music besides blonde

  • 50 Cent
    Tyler
    Eminem
    Future
    Weeknd
    Snoop
    Basically those who built their brand on IDGAF/being toxic

    Plus The Carters

  • Taylor swift literally groomed a kid and no one cared

  • Feb 12
    Mr Bojangles

    You have to do some R-Kelly/Weinstein level stuff to be truly cancelled, and even then, some people still listen to R-Kelly songs and I bet a lot of people still watch the movies Weinstein oversaw.

    That being said, Kanye's controversies have clearly damaged his career.

    07-09 was his peak mainstream popularity, and he permanently damaged that by interrupting Taylor Swift. Musically, he's never been that relevant since. It doesn't help that soon after, Drake blew up. One of Kanye's sons basically came in and has enjoyed the level of popularity Kanye definitely wants for himself.

    And ever since 2016, his controversies have massively overshadowed any music he put out. Ye stans can big up KSG or Donda all they like, but with the casuals, he hasn't had any truly iconic songs since the Yeezus era, "FourFiveSeconds" possibly being the exception.

    Currently, Kanye is basically like Post Allegation/Pre-Death Michael Jackson. For the casuals, dude is either a punchline, someone people want to see go away, or someone people look at and wish he was a good as he used to be.

    This. FSMH and to a much lesser degree I Love It are exceptions, but largely your point stands.

    I’m listening to Vultures rn and finding myself wishing he was as good as he used to be tbh. It’s genuinely not bad and honestly much better than I thought it’d be at this point, but Burn in particular made me sad because it gave a glimpse of the kind of Kanye I really miss. Great verse, only “shock” line was an actually good bar and related to the subject matter, inspired instrumental, uniquely Kanye. Good (Don’t Die), Back To Me, and Fuk Sumn and Carnival to a degree are solid and feel at least like creative achievements. The rest of this feels like (subjectively) him focused less on the music and more toward continuing to lash out for the consequences of his actions, which god damn man grow up and take some accountability.

    For the record, I loved Donda. I’m not just hating. I’m just disappointed. But to the point of this thread: he’s clearly not cancelled because for everyone like me, there are dozens of fans who still buy into the kayfabe or just didn’t grow up with the pre-2016 Kanye like I did. It almost feels futile to criticize the project creatively because he’s effectively cornered the narrative into a self-confirming spiral for his victim complex, which is exhausting and just not compelling for me anymore. But no matter whether I’d personally buy a ticket, he’ll still be selling out shows and people will still be listening to what he has to say.

  • Feb 12
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    The only thing that will ever actually cancel Kanye is if he legitimately breaks the law or physically assaults another human being

  • Mr Bojangles

    You have to do some R-Kelly/Weinstein level stuff to be truly cancelled, and even then, some people still listen to R-Kelly songs and I bet a lot of people still watch the movies Weinstein oversaw.

    That being said, Kanye's controversies have clearly damaged his career.

    07-09 was his peak mainstream popularity, and he permanently damaged that by interrupting Taylor Swift. Musically, he's never been that relevant since. It doesn't help that soon after, Drake blew up. One of Kanye's sons basically came in and has enjoyed the level of popularity Kanye definitely wants for himself.

    And ever since 2016, his controversies have massively overshadowed any music he put out. Ye stans can big up KSG or Donda all they like, but with the casuals, he hasn't had any truly iconic songs since the Yeezus era, "FourFiveSeconds" possibly being the exception.

    Currently, Kanye is basically like Post Allegation/Pre-Death Michael Jackson. For the casuals, dude is either a punchline, someone people want to see go away, or someone people look at and wish he was a good as he used to be.

    07-09 was his peak mainstream popularity, and he permanently damaged that by interrupting Taylor Swift. Musically, he's never been that relevant since.

    This couldn’t be any farther from the truth

  • Feb 12
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    EMY

    It seems his career is immune to controversy. The nigga literally praised Hitler and came for the Jews (read: career suicide) and his album is still doing numbers and being praised. Crazy stuff, let any other nigga come for the Jews and they’ll have his tongue ripped through his teeth by dawn

    His album is being praised where? By other kanye fans lmao?

    Niggas said this s*** was ass

  • Feb 12
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    shaleirose

    The only thing that will ever actually cancel Kanye is if he legitimately breaks the law or physically assaults another human being

    "physically assaults another human being"

    Even that wouldn't get him cancelled lol

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    Canceling isn’t real in this sense, no one has ever been cancelled unless they were convicted of an actual crime and did time

    otherwise the person getting “cancelled” is simply just subject to a little more public outrage than usual but it never lasts or outweighs their loyal base

  • Unforgivable

    "physically assaults another human being"

    Even that wouldn't get him cancelled lol

    I mean physically assaulted in the sense of SA

  • Feb 12
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    Saying Kanye hasn’t been relevant musically since 2009 is completely ignoring one of the most relevant musicians of the 2010s decade, that’s actually an insane opinion

    The better argument is that he hasn’t been that relevant musically since 2018, but even Donda hurts that theory

  • Feb 12
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    Russlio

    His album is being praised where? By other kanye fans lmao?

    Niggas said this s*** was ass

    u b hatin od on ye stop it he a legend

  • Feb 12
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    Experiment626

    Canceling isn’t real in this sense, no one has ever been cancelled unless they were convicted of an actual crime and did time

    otherwise the person getting “cancelled” is simply just subject to a little more public outrage than usual but it never lasts or outweighs their loyal base

    Octavian?
    Wiley?

    DaBaby?

  • List the people cancel culture has successfully canceled and you'll understand that nobody ever really gets canceled

    Not limited to Kanye

  • Feb 12
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    mov

    "And ever since 2016, his controversies have massively overshadowed any music he put out. Ye stans can big up KSG or Donda all they like, but with the casuals, he hasn't had any truly iconic songs since the Yeezus era, "FourFiveSeconds" possibly being the exception."

    I love how some of y'all are capping so hard, TLOP had multiple iconic songs especially FSMH lmao

    Iconic to you and me but it didn’t have a big mainstream cultural impact. When I play it people go “oh I think I know this one” instead of like stronger where it’s like literally everybody still hears that song being played at weddings, birthday parties, ice skating rinks, commercials, trailers, etc.

  • PUM PUM KILLER

    50 Cent and Eminem can do the same as Kanye and would not get cancelled

    eminem was already pissing ppl off with his edginess early in his career, way before social media...and he did just fine.

    50 a corporate household name atp...he ain't gonna do anything to jeopardize his businesses.

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    Hullstar

    Iconic to you and me but it didn’t have a big mainstream cultural impact. When I play it people go “oh I think I know this one” instead of like stronger where it’s like literally everybody still hears that song being played at weddings, birthday parties, ice skating rinks, commercials, trailers, etc.

    Wrong. FSMH almost gets 2 million streams daily on Spotify and it gets played at almost every party, that song is iconic lol.

  • whippet volverse

    Octavian?
    Wiley?

    DaBaby?

    I’ll be honest don’t know the first two names but Dababy is still an active artist

    He got hit HARD but the man still has a career

  • Feb 12
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    mov
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    Wrong. FSMH almost gets 2 million streams daily on Spotify and it gets played at almost every party, that song is iconic lol.

    No one is playing FSMH at a party in 2024 lmfao

    I’m not saying I wouldn’t like to hear it but it’s just not happening.

  • I think Diddy is on his way out. but just like r Kelly, he was accused of doing some nasty s*** and eventually may go to prison too