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  • Aug 14, 2020
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    This thread is inspired by this comment

    "A black woman calling a white person the n word, fake outrage
    Nas had a whole album called..."
    @powers_boothe made in another thread.

    Firstly, doja cat never identified as a black woman, she always stated that she was mixed, being a black woman came about when she had to convince her juvenile fans that she's allowed to say the hard r n word.
    Fun fact both Nas and doja Cat have a African fathers (nas is half African-American and Nigerian, doja is half south African and white American)
    Nas in 2008 was set to release an album called ** he was pressured by his label due to controversy to release it as "untitled", it was supposed to open a dialogue, here's an article about it.

    However nas reassured that the content will be the same, he has always had a space in his catalogue for black issues/consciousness. He's somewhat a point of reference in hip hop for conscious rap.

    In the aftermath of BLM protests he releases a song called Ultra-black in which he encourages the black diaspora to be unapologetically black, in other words don't be demoralized by society, being black (whatever shade he insists) isn't something to be ashamed of physically (feeling lesser than, because of skin tone/hair texture) or culturally (mainstream media devaluing black culture until they can profit off of it)

    He points at doja as being the opposite of that ultra-black mindset as she has exhibited behavior that leads to believe she isn't comfortable with her black side...

    As we all know doja was caught in racial chatrooms showing feet.
    Here are the facts
    Said the n word with the hard r to a white person in a chatroom whilst displaying overt sexual behavior (moaning, sultry voice, explicit language, tongue)
    At 0:30sec for the n word

    Dindu Nuffin song
    Definition : urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dindu%20nuffin

    Her song, Dindu nuffin

    She claims to have learned the meaning of the word when she was called one in chatrooms
    Then proceeded to write a this song to flip its meaning...
    Context : term meant to shame/mock people who sympathize with victims of police killings since 2014/2015. Now this song was uploaded on 2017 but released in 2015. She claims to have learned the meaning of that word yet doesn't adress it in the song
    The song has no implicit lyric about police brutality or race beside the slur. She mainly talks about herself, how people look down on her at her shows and how she's on the come up.

    She mentions smoking up all the weed and being drunk. This song doesn't flip the slur at all its just trying to prove that doja cat who got called one is going to make it, make alot of money and thus not be a "Dindu nuffin".
    I personally don't think she has the range to write political loaded songs as she has 'never done so before.

    The people claiming she tried something with it are either illiterate or disingenuous (never heard the song or pretend that the meaning is there when it clearly isn't). The intent may have been there but it got lost in the terrible execution....

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    The main issue is... Doja cat code switches to fit into black culture..
    code switching
    Her image might be quirky, fun, colorful
    But her music is still rooted in black culture : her lyrics reference blassics ; from her song "moo"
    Cash rules everything around me (everything around me)
    Ice C.R.E.A.M, ice C.R.E.A.M (ice cream)

    wu-tang clan- c.r.e.a.m

    I ain't a moose, b****
    Get out my hay, get out my hay
    B****, get out my hay

    Ludacris- move b get out the way

    My milkshake brings all the boys to the farm
    And they're like
    It's better than yours
    Damn right
    It's better than yours
    I can treat you
    But I have to charge

    Kelis - milkshake

    -She features black artists like Gucci mane and Nicki minaj (iconic in modern rap)

    • her language immulates black youth slang and vernacular (just listen to any of her songs)

    When comparing her behavior on the chatroom/social media vs her music, it's clear she "code switches", being a cool black artist is trendy
    Exhibit a : her language on Twitter.

    First reply : I hate when you talk in "4chan"

    Exhibit b: has dated a white man (who doesn't seem in touch with black culture at all) but recorded a song called "'niggas ain't s***",

    they reportedly are broken up, where's the "cacs ain't s*** anthem"

    Exhibit c: was found engaging in those not racial but let's call people the n-word chatrooms a week before the controversy hit the net (2020), she clearly still is of that quirky, marginal cyber crowd.

    The clean-up

    • Straw man argument that people are mad at her entertaining white supremacists: that's an exaggeration, people are seeing trough the bs of her marketing herself in black music but not claiming black until convenient (never spoke on black issues until now).
  • Aug 14, 2020

    This thread is for all the knuckle heads who don't see anything wrong with what she's doing.

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    Doja Cat isn't allowed to say the n word with the hard r because she is biracial but she already says nigga in her music and has a upcoming song called Niggas Ain't S***

    Oh...okay

    Same breath It's different from what Nas did because well he's pro-black like only if you are a pro black person you can use that word

    Nothing racist about the chatrooms Doja Cat was in, it was some s*** twitter made up and ran with it because they saw white people in the room

    So if she made no explicit mention of police brutality or making it to s*** on the victims of police brutality where are you pulling this she made it to make money and show the world she wasn't a 'Dindu Nuffin'

    You a mind reader too?

    She talks in internet speak on her socials and makes Pop, Hip-Hop, R&B music that has references to Hip-Hop music so she can't be of both worlds, sound like you have a very limited view of what a black person can be or do

    And her dating a white man has f*** all to do with anything, plus 'Niggas ain't s***' has been a common phrase among black women for decades

    And she isn't doing anything wrong but being a target of a smear campaign against you lames who spend 24 hours a day all on the internet

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    I'm sorry, I usually like long OPs but

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    Don鈥檛 care about the Doja stuff, I just came in here to post this

    Is it Oochie Wally Wally or is it One Mic?
    Is it Black Girl Lost or shorty owe you for ice?

  • E Roy 馃暩
    Aug 14, 2020

    Doja Cat ITT ?

  • sunstream 馃挮
    Aug 14, 2020

    look...

  • E Roy 馃暩
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    Bruh Wesley's face still f***ing hilarious

    But Doja on some super weird s***... I'm still curious about how tf the weeknd still put out their remix after all that s***, i guess he just said f*** it for the music

    She just seem like she h**** as hell, wanna be edgy, and gets validation from those types of audiences,

    its just once again on some weird behavior but, what will surprise me is if she gets taken seriously from this point

  • Aug 14, 2020

    SHE IN RACIAL CHATROOMS SHOWING FEET

  • Aug 14, 2020
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    Kdogone

    Don鈥檛 care about the Doja stuff, I just came in here to post this

    Is it Oochie Wally Wally or is it One Mic?
    Is it Black Girl Lost or shorty owe you for ice?

    Austin powers line on the hook is hella corny and f***s up the song tbh

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    Aftermathbws_

    Austin powers line on the hook is hella corny and f***s up the song tbh

    OH BEHAVE

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    Kdogone

    OH BEHAVE

    Makes me cringe every time! Other than that the song is classic

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    OP is a racist apologist.

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    powers boothe

    Doja Cat isn't allowed to say the n word with the hard r because she is biracial but she already says nigga in her music and has a upcoming song called Niggas Ain't S***

    Oh...okay

    Same breath It's different from what Nas did because well he's pro-black like only if you are a pro black person you can use that word

    Nothing racist about the chatrooms Doja Cat was in, it was some s*** twitter made up and ran with it because they saw white people in the room

    So if she made no explicit mention of police brutality or making it to s*** on the victims of police brutality where are you pulling this she made it to make money and show the world she wasn't a 'Dindu Nuffin'

    You a mind reader too?

    She talks in internet speak on her socials and makes Pop, Hip-Hop, R&B music that has references to Hip-Hop music so she can't be of both worlds, sound like you have a very limited view of what a black person can be or do

    And her dating a white man has f*** all to do with anything, plus 'Niggas ain't s***' has been a common phrase among black women for decades

    And she isn't doing anything wrong but being a target of a smear campaign against you lames who spend 24 hours a day all on the internet

    I explained every point you trying to make in op
    but here you are you're arguing strawman arguments right now.
    Also ad hominem attacks disqualifies you from this conversation bye doja.

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    Delejayn

    OP is a racist apologist.

    How? Who's racist here ?

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    this a whole lot of text and i don't even see how it relates to the title so

  • Aug 14, 2020
    beast444

    I'm sorry, I usually like long OPs but

    I know this was long, I don't blame you lol

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    No, but I think the line he dropped is colorist. Doja was targeted for having a white BF and nothing she did was even that bad. Nas is a anti-vax hotep dummy.

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    BIGKIR

    this a whole lot of text and i don't even see how it relates to the title so

    I don't mind changing the title but it was inspired by a comment some doja stan made saying comparing nas using the n word as an album title the same as doja using the n word in chatrooms... Basically trying to discredit nas since he mentionned her in the song saying she's the opposite of ultra-black (song title)

  • Aug 15, 2020
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    Mango

    No, but I think the line he dropped is colorist. Doja was targeted for having a white BF and nothing she did was even that bad. Nas is a anti-vax hotep dummy.

    He said in the same song that black comes in different shades, you didn't listen he shouted out all black people with different metaphors
    He wasn't referring to her skin color at all.
    Ultra-black has nothing to do with skin color, it's being unapologetically black

  • Aug 15, 2020
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    DonutHole

    He said in the same song that black comes in different shades, you didn't listen he shouted out all black people with different metaphors
    He wasn't referring to her skin color at all.
    Ultra-black has nothing to do with skin color, it's being unapologetically black

    Black is a skin color. That's all it is.