Sep 23, 2020DelejaynBut they’re successful though. Someone would say Griselda makes the best music. And this isn’t a shot at then but when it comes to song structure, melodies, adding bridges, etc they don’t do that well. I love there songs and love to hear Grimey beat and lyrics but I also appreciate the songs. The end of runaway isn’t something most artist would attempt. That’s apart of having unique structure.
Sep 23, 2020·1 replyI don’t think it’s overlooked, the biggest artists in the game rn have great songwriting skills for a reason
- OPSep 23, 2020
One of Royce best songs in terms of song writing ability.
- OPSep 23, 2020Bernie X
I don’t think it’s overlooked, the biggest artists in the game rn have great songwriting skills for a reason
Yea but they are constantly compared to artist that can’t write. Which is why I said it’s overlooked. Never brought up on conversations of nicest pens.
Sep 23, 2020Rappers who I think are great songwriters:
Earl Sweatshirt
Kendrick Lamar
Big K.R.I.T.
Isaiah Rashad
Mos Def
OutKast
Black ThoughtIn a way Kid Cudi too
Sep 23, 2020·1 replyDelejaynI disagree. I have never seen KtT discuss song writing outside outside of lyrical ability. Which is why it’s overlooked.
in KTT sure, but you could argue that KTT talks a lot about lyricism because in the general zeitgeist of hip-hop, lyricism doesn't really dominate the scene anymore (and to be honest, it never actually really dominated the scene at all). most of the folk here tend to be enthusiasts about music.
for the casual listener? songwriting is all that matters. if a song sounds good, then they consider it good. full stop. lyrics and technical ability and all that are cool, but they're never going to really digest it while they're driving to work everyday or doing 3 sets of squats. they're mostly going to focus on the composition of the song, the melodies, all that.
it's not so much that it's overlooked, it's that songwriting is just already so dominant in how well a song is perceived. and that goes for all genres.
- OPSep 23, 2020·1 replyASAKI
in KTT sure, but you could argue that KTT talks a lot about lyricism because in the general zeitgeist of hip-hop, lyricism doesn't really dominate the scene anymore (and to be honest, it never actually really dominated the scene at all). most of the folk here tend to be enthusiasts about music.
for the casual listener? songwriting is all that matters. if a song sounds good, then they consider it good. full stop. lyrics and technical ability and all that are cool, but they're never going to really digest it while they're driving to work everyday or doing 3 sets of squats. they're mostly going to focus on the composition of the song, the melodies, all that.
it's not so much that it's overlooked, it's that songwriting is just already so dominant in how well a song is perceived. and that goes for all genres.
I totally agree. It’s tough having those conversations. Because if you think about the two versions of
BDKMV
People would say that Kendrick verses on the remix were better because they were lyrically better. But it took away from the song in my opinion. I even preferr the remix version. But it’s obvious that Kendrick wasn’t trying to “spazz” on the verse, he wanted to write the be set song possible.
Sep 23, 2020I've read through the thread, and I still don't feel like I could a***yze the quality of songwriting of the artists I listen to beyond "their vocal performance, ignoring their lyrics/content, is creative and adds to the song" which would be most artists I listen to
- Sep 23, 2020·1 replyDelejayn
I totally agree. It’s tough having those conversations. Because if you think about the two versions of
BDKMV
People would say that Kendrick verses on the remix were better because they were lyrically better. But it took away from the song in my opinion. I even preferr the remix version. But it’s obvious that Kendrick wasn’t trying to “spazz” on the verse, he wanted to write the be set song possible.
yeah, I mean, listen to the original version of All Falls Down:
it has a lot more interesting and conscious verses, and the production is soulful, but there's a day 'n' night difference between that and the single on CD.
stripped back production, catchy chorus, compartmentalized verses, and it's still making you think. that's really the genius of songwriting. the problem is when artists go too far on one end or the other.
- OPSep 23, 2020ASAKI
yeah, I mean, listen to the original version of All Falls Down:
!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP2QMvLutjsit has a lot more interesting and conscious verses, and the production is soulful, but there's a day 'n' night difference between that and the single on CD.
!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cmSCQbWxV0stripped back production, catchy chorus, compartmentalized verses, and it's still making you think. that's really the genius of songwriting. the problem is when artists go too far on one end or the other.
Oh wow!! I have never heard that but this is exactly right. I actually love that new version lyrically more even with the burr scheme but you’re right the album version is lights years better. Thanks for showing me this.
