You know its bad when the younger underground niggas start calling other the other underground niggas

I see hella videos like this now lol

And for the niggas who gonna come in here ready to defend osamaspendvicious whoever the f*** the latest thug chief keef clone is, this applies to artists even outside of that lane like NLE Choppa just constantly doing 2000’s cosplay lol

The last 5 years of Hip Hop had people copying imagery from Friday, Don't Drink Your Juice in South Central, and Baby Boy. Annoying asf

hauntlogy is very real

Read a great article on this term last year

Replace Steve and Virgil with Thug/Future/Keef/Wayne/Carti lol

“We have reached the end of the known Steve Jobs Vision of computing. In two separate interviews he references two forms of computing he would like to get to. One is a headphones for video display you would wear on your face. The second is being able to converse with the essence of someone that you don’t normally have access to (Einstein etc), being able to consult the great and talented men and women of history. An experience now made possible with LLMs.

So what’s next?

First we have to break out of the hauntology of these characters. Then we can dream again.”

hipcityreg.substack.com/p/mimetic-hauntology

Lmaoo niggas just throwing every era in a blender

all these niggas lack originality/creativity

Stronger (futuristic, timeless, all time hiphop classic):

• Crazy in Love inspired flow
• Daft Punk sample
• Thriller esque synths
• bit crushed programmed Timbaland drums
• east coast late 90s Swizz esque rhythm
• Bible verse-lifted leading idiom

Look at this random ass combination of source material, and it only covers the hook. Nobody is thinking of this. We aren’t getting new and exciting combinations like this

The top video made me think of CTMN and I was stuck on how the f*** he even think of the “La La La Laaaa” part let alone the actual raps, even if there was help, same praise/bewilderment applies to GLC or whoever.

Beat wise what you’re saying also applies to something like Worst Behavior. My Type of Party. Day N Nite lol. Like niggas werent trying so hard to stick to set formulas. It was just whatever we come up with lol

And another thing is the overall environment of the 2000’s probably had him thinking on some different s***. He wasn’t just competing with Wayne and 50 he was competing with Coldplay Justin Timberlake T Pain.

The environment now just breeds strategic moves to say you topped the charts

i mean yea probably lol. i blame the weekend

Even he understood he couldnt just be Mike or Dream. Trilogy/the tapes as they dropped in realtime rather is another example of man what the f*** is this and where did it come from even after i found out about Portishead and s*** lol

nah i mean the 70s nostalgia bait lmao tory lanez followed suite like 3 months after and its been wraps since

Oh yeah you definitely right if we talking recently

Tory was blatant wit it lmao

Ahhhh so now it would just be rap competing with the latest trap sound of the quarter year

It’s gotta have something to do with getting both millennials and Gen Z audiences to like the same thing

The verses on this came from the ark of the covenant

Expound

Because they can’t actually rap. Thats the root of it. I feel nothing when I listen to Osamason for example. So because he can’t make me feel anything with his music he has to do it with his imagery and aesthetics

They aren’t even going into the archives to find some s*** to pay homage to. It’s like the most obvious s***

I love Carti more than he loves hitting pregnant women but I find his nostalgia baiting a bit too simple, too much and too much on the nose. He doesn’t do anything with it other than just doing a reference. For someone that is the future of rap, I need him to evolve the bait

This is on the money and why a “zillennial” (born 1997-2002) can be the only one to do it fr. They were raised as the best of both worlds so they can speak to the full generational range

The next Drake or Kendrick if you wanna say that come from there

This is conflating design with art, regardless, "hauntology" is the basis for all artistic expression, it's ahistorical to act like anyone is sweepingly "original" when everything in contemporary times is a reference and sample to something else

A potential problem (the one being referred to in OP) can arise when people only have a few reference points, if 99% of what you listen to growing up is similar artists (ala Thug and Future and Carti) then of course your music will sound like them, that's not necessarily a problem cause there's still other interesting artists out there but I can see it being a reason to endorse people having variety and going out of their comfort zone when its prevalent in the mainstream

I don't think it's worse than its ever been, I think for many of us its now clear that the music from our childhood/teens is having its moment to be repackaged but that time came for older music in the past too :)

I loved Stronger and this isn't a diss but all of those things you listed exist in a similar cultural sphere besides the sample

I think the point about the lack of new and exciting combinations is somewhat true in mainstream male hip hop (although I think there's moments like Honestly Nevermind and Tyler The Creator discography that say otherwise) but I wouldn't suggest that it's a problem across all areas of culture and music

And mainstream male hip hop doesn't have to be genre bending to be good either, there's a time and place for everything

The Weeknd has his own sound tbh

the crazy part is he got that la la part from hail mary