Antidote

8mo

“Imagine watching Jeen-yuhs knowing you just as hungry as he was

He might be black and I might be white, but we both dreamed of f***ing Latinas"

whothehellknows

8mo

The minimalism of those classic Ye chops brings a lot out of Push's vocals for me personally; It feels very grimy and raw with how simple, loud, and in your face the production is which juxtaposed well with the mafia coke rap throughout. Push did a very good job matching the energy with his cadences and delivery which makes the project feel more cohesive as a whole.

I also think you just lose people when you say Hard Piano sounds like a Madlib beat because Madlib beats tend to be a lot more upbeat, spacey, and absurd, or at least less cinematic than that one does. You can tell Ye definitely had a hand in it.

Antidote

8mo

“Imagine watching Jeen-yuhs knowing you just as hungry as he was

He might be black and I might be white, but we both dreamed of f***ing Latinas"

champagnepoopy

8mo

It’s real
Trust brother. 2words I wouldn’t lead you astray

Use your head brother

2words

8mo

If You Know You Know- great beat

Games We Play- decent Wu tang type beat but very dry sonically and the drums don’t hit, if an underground rapper went on this I don’t think people would consider it amazing, it’s run of the mill, average boom Bap sample beat

Hard Piano- literally just a Madlib beat with trap drums added on top (not the only time Ye stole from Madlib during these Wyoming sessions because he was stretched too thin, see Bonjour) but overall still a decent track. Not bad not amazing

Come Back Baby- great sample. Decent idea to do the stripped down verse but I think the execution feels a little bit bare and amateur-ish, too simple and basic (a theme on this album). Still I’m willing to say this has enough redeeming qualities to be a good 7.5 or 8 out of 10 beat just from the idea, even if it wasn’t executed well and sounds like beats that most of us made in middle school

Santeria- great track, the second truly great beat on here

What Would Meek Do- this thing makes Swizz Beats sound like a musical genius. The sample is goofy as hell and the beat is incredibly basic just repeating the terrible loop with basic drums. Imo the worst Ye beat that exists because there are no redeeming factors. Another beat that is very bare and too simple

Infrared- another cool track but it’s a very simple loop, again this s*** is almost shockingly simple and lacking in layers for a project that is supposedly held up as good production

It truly was just a perfect storm of people who were brand new to hip hop at the time and Ye stans liking this album because of the short album gimmick and the safe basic inoffensive nature of the music

If you can articulate what makes some of these simple beats so special then go ahead

Q3D

8mo

Thats f***ing crazy bro but who asked 💀

2words

8mo

Not my goal at all, I just can actually back up my opinions by articulating how i feel about the music, and I’ve never seen anyone articulate why Daytona is held as this production masterpiece, I just see people accepting it because they like ye

Q3D

8mo

Thats f***ing crazy bro but who asked 💀

Antidote

8mo

“Imagine watching Jeen-yuhs knowing you just as hungry as he was

He might be black and I might be white, but we both dreamed of f***ing Latinas"

2words

8mo

I forgot that ye songs just sound like that tbh lol, truly a woat producer

xxxkiraxxx

8mo

Hating on Daytona beats too?

Himothee

8mo

Ya’ll “this is AI” niggas give AI too much credit lol. Go listen to an AI deepfake song then listen to this. Night and day difference.

2words

8mo

Explain what makes them great. They’re ok, maybe even good, but I just don’t see how it’s the pinnacle of rap production.

Daytona is lowkey “we have purple tape at home”

xxxkiraxxx

8mo

They‘re BANGING. That’s it. Yes, the instrumentals are minimalistic but that‘s not a bad thing. I already told y‘all in a thread a few weeks ago, a more "complex" or skill-based instrumental doesn’t automatically conclude that it’s a good one and vice versa. Madlib & The Alchemist have a simplistic approach when you look at it from a technical perspective but I would never discredit their work because of it. Simple doesn’t mean it’s easy and a lot of times it works. The beats are knockin’ if you don’t like them that’s your opinion ofc but trying to s*** on it from a technical perspective is just desperate. We don’t know how much time he invested in sample digging and finding the right drums but that doesn’t even matter like that imo.