Some of y'all keep talking about Superman like he stands next to Spider-Man and Batman in cultural relevance at the movies and that's just not the case man, it never has been

peter safran was producing s*** like this and going to diddy parties back in the day
how tf did he end up as ceo of dc studios hahah

UGLY BETTY?!! what are YOU doing here??!

Brother I have worked with kids countless kids have superman merch. If you create a family accessible superman movie or cartoon. It will sell. There is a way to balance an interesting Superman movie

not spider man level which I mentioned before and someone said "superman can top spiderman " and I told them that was foolish

spider man is the biggest hero and has been and will likely forever be.

But this idea that superman with superman and lois, smallville, man of steel, superman returns, superman 1, 2

is just some forgettable character that cant make large profits is a bit insane.

If someone did see Black Adam they would be a bit confused by it hinting at return of Cavilll. Superman 2025 just jumps right into Superman which is absolutely fine I am all for that. But what is the point of skipping origin then have the adult superman addicted to watching his orign story that we never see?

That defeats the purpose of skipping the origin that you in that case might as well show so that people have an attachment to him as more than a grown adult man child rewatching his memories with parents he never knew .

Brother I have worked with kids countless kids have superman merch. If you create a family accessible superman movie or cartoon. It will sell. There is a way to balance an interesting Superman movie

This has nothing to do with Superman not being a popular character in cinema

BUT THEY ARE GREAT WRITTEN MOVIES THAT 90% OF THESE MOVIES ARE NOT

Subjective

come on fam

he isnt next to them he is beneath them but thats partially of the creators doing is all we are saying.

you think Dark Knight and Dark Knight rises arent in the upper echelon of writing and acting of all cbms?

yes it subjective but be for real

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The movie being family friendly or not is objective

The quality of its writing is subjective

People say that Joker 2019 was poorly written and that made a billion too

@KnightmareLeague I ain’t know this how yall felt bruh this sucks

Of course I do, but it's irrelevant to this convo

the Nolan trilogy is what many have sought to emulate in their writing and execution since. Taking themselves the right amount of serious.Well done villains who arent mighty morphin villain of the week. Big set pieces.

Marion cotillard and a few other faults in execution feel bad for her and she mentioned it in inteview her death scene but be for real

He's two levels below them at minimum when it comes to cinema

Captain America and Thor are more popular cinematic characters than Superman is

Superman is still popular but he's gettin his lunch ate nowadays. Marvel has been getting better numbers with dudes like Deadpool and Black Panther.

Was Deadpool & Wolverine well-written too then? Since it was a non-family friendly movie that made a billion dollars

Dark Knight Rises being in the upper echelon of writing?

yeah honestly it was dirty how they did cavill but i wasnt too hurt cause it would have been more painful to watch cavill be superman under gunns writing.
it was really snyder getting f***ed over that hurt the most

Also yeah Dark Knight Rises is probably Nolan's worst film lmao

people will take their family to a crime story like that even if its on the border.

dark knight is borderline horror if you bring a young kid too but teenager easy . At the time more teenagers and adults were going to the movies as an event it dropped in summer and it was a moment to go and not "it will be online quick"

also you add in inflation again its way over a billion

Dark Knight rises I have many issues with many

BUT COMPARE THAT TO ALL THE S*** WE GOT SINCE

You've moved the goalposts three times now

its highs are high

NOLANS WORST FILM STILL CLEARS MOST OF THE CBM SINCE COPE WITH THAT