The reason Superman can’t ever be as popular as Batman is cuz his fanbase is eternally split into 2 bases, the ones that want wholesome Boy Scout dork Superman and the ones who want brooding edgy walking weapon of destruction Superman and you can’t have your cake and eat it too
You have to do both and make it about him tryna find the balance
GUNN SQUANDERED FULL CREATIVE FREEDOM TO MAKE AND TEASE RANDOM ASS MOVIES VS GET TO THE MEAT AND POTATOES OF DC
HE CHOOSE TO DO THAT
EVEN UNDER ZASLAV NO BUY OUT THIS STRATEGY WOULDNT LAST FOREVER
BE F***ING SERIOUS
Why did Kevin Costner refuse to let Clark save him btw
And Why did he say that name?!
he was getting a dc studio head check, check for making the movies, hiring his friends, family, wife
while making peacemaker, creature commandos, supergirl, clayface
things that people dont even hugely want made at all yet alone at the beginning of a universe
wtf is this lol
I knew it was okay to be just who i am, the very first time I heard Black Superman - dom kennedy

It’s a huge symptom of popularity to have people who generally don’t give a f*** about your medium constantly refer to you
With people under 25 what you’re saying is probably true because of the lack of solid Superman media since 2000 vs the 1970’s films and Bruce Timm but overall if you asked people to name superheroes they are naming Superman as much as if not more than Spiderman and Batman in spite of that lol
To take it back to the main topic DC absolutely should expect a Superman movie to be as big as MCU Spiderman or The Batman 2021 moving forward, this whole convo kinda started from them tryna fix what you saying
No they should not because Superman has never been that popular in cinema. The Shrek franchise has grossed more money than Superman with four less movies.
It would be like expecting a Wonder Woman film to make as much money as a Spider-Man film.
Is Wonder Woman extremely iconic and popular? Yes. But the character does not have that popular history in FILM, which is what is being discussed
I knew it was okay to be just who i am, the very first time I heard Black Superman - dom kennedy
!https://youtu.be/OPvYdnvK9kU
the character of superman has been emulated in so many mediums. It comes down to writing and execution why superman hasnt worked in film. You have a chance to write an alien , immigration story in 2025 and you make him a son of evil parents who he spends 20+ years watching a video of because it soothes him. Without exploring fully him being an alien, his planet being destoryed no other kryptonians. You skip a strict origin but he is obsessed with rewatching his origin. Dont really show him handling too many smaller conflicts and everything evil in the world he deals with in the movie is controlled by lex luthor. None of it is humanity ills its all lex luthor . only for him to team up with that same person next movie
Why did Kevin Costner refuse to let Clark save him btw
would reveal his powers and secret identity . Showing him he must accept death and that he cannot save everyone including the ones he loves
And Why did he say that name?!
the monologue at the end of superman was approaching martha corny level
when Xbox launches Halo then does a bunch of random ips people can admit they are squandering their brand. Why cant people admit it with dc.
You have to do both and make it about him tryna find the balance
he is still like godzilla similiar to a nuclear weapon so how do you navigate that. how the tralers teased the world wide conflict I thought it would be a much more refined versioni than than bvs when in reality it mirrors a lot of bvs plot but not in the greatest execution
According to WB insiders interviewed by The Hollywood Reporter journalist Matt Belloni, David Ellison will give DC the same treatment he gave Star Trek:
Yes, ANOTHER reboot.
After Superman: Man of Tomorrow, Batman: Part II and the HBO series already in the works, the plan would be to start everything from scratch, all over again.
As a result, Batman: The Brave and the Bold is no longer happening.
And no, the Snyderverse is NOT COMING BACK. It's in the past
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I actually liked the strategy these guys picked of propping up the lesser known characters, I just think the output was bad. Superman was okay and that was about it. I couldn't even get through Supergirl, just felt like GotG again (I know James Gunn didn't direct it, still, he was overseeing the whole thing). I hear Lanterns and Peacemaker are good but honestly I haven't found a reason to watch them yet.
They just had to do better with the execution by now and they didn't. It was a good call to remove them from the helm imo
I actually liked the strategy these guys picked of propping up the lesser known characters, I just think the output was bad. Superman was okay and that was about it. I couldn't even get through Supergirl, just felt like GotG again (I know James Gunn didn't direct it, still, he was overseeing the whole thing). I hear Lanterns and Peacemaker are good but honestly I haven't found a reason to watch them yet.
They just had to do better with the execution by now and they didn't. It was a good call to remove them from the helm imo
you should give lanterns a try
Well at least it's accurate to the comics where it gets rebooted every 4 years
you should give lanterns a try
You're the second person to tell me this in the past few weeks, I actually might start it up this weekend
DC Studios are more like TNA than WCW
one clusterfuck after another and they are still keeping on
Who do we want for the reboot in 4-5 years
By the logic yall talking about fantastic four has never had a great movie and still did reasonable
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No Snyder either ? Under Ellison . A dc reboot under Netflix with Pam I would be in . We need new faces who haven’t directed superhero movies .
Refn
Raimi
Fincher
Brad bird
Michelle McLaren
Edgar wright
Director of your mother static
We could have used this time wisely to scoop up many that were laid off and not given creative freedom under wb and marvel to make unique ideas