Blue Man

10mo

That’s some word salad meant to excuse jay z and Beyoncé getting closer to the maga family to enrich themselves. MAGA is a branding of fascism which is the logical endgame of capitalism

Blue Man

10mo

No she’s doing this in a way that makes her more rich. Simple as that

Valentine

10mo

It’s not word salad

is Obama a terrorist because his middle name is Hussein? No, he’s a terrorist because he supports Israel and has enabled the killing of children

minimizing what is going on in the picture (elites 🤝) allows the same rhetorics we don’t want used against us and leads me to ask what someone else asked, are you a cac? lmfao

Blue Man

10mo

You’re typing a lot without saying anything coherent

Blue Man

10mo

You’re typing a lot without saying anything coherent

VA7a

10mo

It seems like you believe that capitalist (or at least Jay Z and Beyoncé) have no ideology with how they participate in it, when they literally do.

I just showed you and said like 3 times that she is doing this in a way to enrich the bourgeois because it makes her more money. She is doing a lot of things co-signing America because she wants to appeal to white people (with money) but is giving it a fake sheen of black radicalism.

Her whole goal isn’t to liberate nobody fr. She and Jay Z just want to hustle black folks which I said at the bottom of my first post

Blue Man

10mo

Everything you just typed out is agreeing that they’re doing this to enrich themselves but you somehow make it seem more complicated than it is

Valentine

10mo

minimizing Jay-Z and Beyoncé as MAGA for sitting with Ivanka and Jared removes the conversation about what is happening in the picture that has been happening before you and I were alive energized by the likes of WEB Du Bois and Booker T Washington of which modern day openly liberal voter, capitalist system participating people such as Jay-Z and Beyonce have fallen victim to in which they believe capitalism is the answer to black peoples struggles

Blue Man

10mo

You don’t have to be fake deep to understand why jay z and Beyoncé invited the maga family to sit with them. You’re doing too much. If you’re okay with it, just say that

VA7a

10mo

Because it is numb nuts. Capitalists have ideological goals, some are white nationalists, some want to portray themselves as good, etc. people have material conditions that motivate their actions. It’s called a***yzing politics

Valentine

10mo

there’s no fake deep and doing too much when discussing anything black or involving black individuals. what are you talking about or trying to do bro? lmfao.

Abyss

10mo

Beyonce and Jay Z are definitely elitist / classist and her country era has some elements which I can't fw. But at the end of the day people are at fault for idolizing them. The US is really the only major country where the politics of celebrities holds this much weight.

Valentine

10mo

Not necessarily. Jay-Z and Beyonce and the black bourgeois class believe that black liberation will come through capitalism and participation within the system to gain equality d they are W.E.B Du Bois’ dream group of black people, whether they disagree politically or not

they are black first, but fail to be effective black leaders as their mindset is constantly built upon engaging with a side that just doesn’t care about anything but our money

TUNDRA IV

10mo

I don’t agree with the last part at lmao. Every nation does this

Abyss

10mo

Nah in a lot of European countries celebrities get laughed at if they get involved in politics

Valentine

10mo

I usually proceed in giving my brothers and sisters the benefit of the doubt as it allows space for conversation, despite how confused and aimless they might be in their efforts/beliefs

I don’t know them, I don’t know what they believe lol. But what I do know is they’ve shown to be black first in how they carry themselves and their beliefs in participating in the capitalist system as a way for black people to rise to equality. Everything you posted is correct as well and where their beliefs fail the same group they hope to help, as they position themselves next to the white liberal elites who ultimate goal isn’t equality via capitalism, but further separation of the talented tenth from their communities, of which this same group believes they are helping by being next to them as Jay has said many times and stupidly fought for as again, he thinks capitalism is the root to black people’s collective success/freedom “once one of us is in, then we can all get in” type s***

ultimately it never succeeds as the capitalist system isn’t designed for this to ever work for black people

TUNDRA IV

10mo

Laughed at doesn’t mean impactful though. They can still use platforms to sway opinions.
Even if we removed Europe from the equation you could still see other case studies—-salah, pacquiao, drogba etc.

Not like I’m defending the u.s. crazy, I just think it’s a lazy dunk

Abyss

10mo

Nah its cool my statement was a bit too grand as its not only the US. A bit exaggerated because celebrity worship in the US feels stronger to me

BrainWorms4U

10mo

somewhat agree with your point especially when you look at what he said on twitter spaces(lol) back in 2022

“Before it was the American Dream. ‘Pull yourself up by your bootstraps. You can make it in America’ – all these lies that America told us our whole life. And then when we start getting it, they try to lock us out of it. They start inventing words like ‘capitalist’ and things like that.

“We’ve been called niggas and monkeys and s***. I don’t care what words y’all come up with. Y’all gotta come with stronger words

they def see their elitism as still somehow helping the black community when theyre of the same ilk

Blue Man

10mo

People did not invent “capitalist” because of black capitalists like jay z lol. Him pulling his “I’m just helping black people out by becoming a multi-billionaire” shtick doesn’t prove anything other than his shamelessness