No no, one thing at a time.

Please explain your Ace of Spades comment.

Then we'll go into you giving Jay Z credit for Beyonce like she's not her own (and significantly more famous) person.

Peaked at #15

you said contributions to hiphop, when did I say he was responsible for her? we can’t deny the music they made lmfao, they went OTR twice

Ace of Spades was a drink highly promoted and utilized within the club scenes that Jay was providing music for that increased the valuation of the product via his music and mainstream promotion capabilities lol

How did he contribute her to hip-hop?

Do you know how valuation works?

Ima just call it how it is, if you really think Hov wasn’t just as important to hip hop becoming mainstream than 50 Cent, Pac, or Eminem then you actually were not around. It’s not always about numbers but impact and longevity. Hov had more time than all of those guys did if you really wanna look at it.

The bling/materialistic era literally got popularized with him and Diddy (Roc & Bad Boy) in 97-98. 50 had one album and then slowly fell off, em had 3 and then disappeared (most of what em contributed were white fans trying to say he was the endgame for hip hop which that in itself opened up a toxic and racist mentality that is still felt to this day.)

Meanwhile Hov from 98-08 was THE hip hop mogul next to Diddy actually if you wanna talk mainstream.

Didn't say it was MMLP or anything but he did his part

you said Eminem was more important to hiphop than Jay-Z on the mainstream man. I’ve given you ample examples as well as asked you to defend Em missing a key time in hiphop 2004-2009 and you have yet to state anything back about the artist you named. you just keeping finding nuanced ways to ask questions I already answered to keep from defending the bullshit you said. have a good morning, this was a cool chat

Youre saying mogul like that equates to anything.

He had money, so?

So did Master P, and Diddy, and Dre.

What point are you even trying to make?

The fact that y’all wanna discredit Hov for DRAKE is anti hip hop too. It is cause most of y-all switch sides depending on who Drake beefs with.

Mogul in the sense that if you talk hip hop, you equated that to Hov in the 2000s. Look at media around that time. Jay-Z was hip hop royalty even back then lol he was the final boss

You bringing up Master P and Dre like they even dropped music consistently around that time lmao enough

Fake Kendrick fans couldn’t wait for some s***. Like flies to some bull s***

Eminem had the number one song, movie and album. At the same time.

Eminem has 3 of the top 5 best selling hip hop albums OAT.

Eminem was artist of the decade. Not rapper. Artist.

That's mainstream appeal, youre here talking about how Jay Z married Beyonce and sold Black people out for change.

When was this?

Wasn't when Em was the hottest rapper alive, or DMX, or Nelly or 50 Cent or Kanye or Wayne or Drake.

He was highly regarded for his hustling and money making ventures, but is that what we're talking about?

Huh? Jay Z was literally a hottest rapper in that same decade lol specifically 2001 was Hov’s year. Hov was in that list the whole decade at that.

You think Pimp C was outselling post vol 2 Jay?

Lowkey being 60 yr old and looking like East E might be a diss

mind you these were the same people bigging up Hov during the Drake/Kanye beef lol

He also f***ing retired for half the decade

Jay "retired" as well but his was 2 years shorter, plus he was WAY more active in his retreat then Em

Now watch him say Recovery was a hot album better than anything Hov did when he came back from retiring or some s***

2001?

When Ja Rule dropped Pain is Love and had Put It On Me, Always on Time, Put It On Me, Im Real ON THE SAME ALBUM.

And was on Fast and Furious?

That 2001?

me rapping every word to Jigga What Jigga Who and Money Ain't A Thang when I was 12? Definitely

Pimp Juice is Nelly, fam

Elric I don't like it if it don't bling bling

Crine I actually didn't know that

Lool, look at the numbers. I dont need to say s***.

Album's Diamond with 2 Diamond singles.