Feb 3, 2020·1 reply
WahiYeah, they do. Zhao Shuzhen had a better performance than Margot Robbie, as did J. Lo. Awkwafina? Also, Kelvin Harrison Jr had two of the more impressive feats this year. Divisive film, but Lupita’s performance in Us was still good enough to earn recognition (however, that might be due to recency bias & it being horror more-so) and this is all off top
Not mad at anything though, it just is what it is I suppose lol. We’ve had this discussion for years, man got bigger things to worry about
I was talking about the male actor category, but yea, Lupita could have been nominated for sure. I disagree about the others you mentioned though
This is not huge issue, but it's one nonetheless, so props to JP for bringing it up still
- Feb 3, 2020·1 replyBane
I was talking about the male actor category, but yea, Lupita could have been nominated for sure. I disagree about the others you mentioned though
This is not huge issue, but it's one nonetheless, so props to JP for bringing it up still
U tellin’ me
Margot’s performances in OUATIH & Bombshell were that great that they were deserving of not one, but two for supporting? That’s wild my guy lol
- Feb 3, 2020·1 replyWahi
U tellin’ me
Margot’s performances in OUATIH & Bombshell were that great that they were deserving of not one, but two for supporting? That’s wild my guy lol
I didn’t say that, I just don’t think Zhao Shuzhen or Awkwafina deserve a nod either and I haven’t seen JLo. Lupita would have been fine in Margot’s place
Feb 3, 2020Would’ve liked to see Sterling K Brown get some love but Best Supporting was stacked this year
CactusJackSentYa 🍟Feb 3, 2020·1 replyCampariNothing will change.
If Joaquin wants change he needs to begin advocating for this once he walks off the stage after his 2 minutes up. These actors will go up there & begin discussing world hunger if it makes them look good.
I’m not saying he hasn’t or won’t but time & time again I’ve seen these political speeches come & go and nothing ever changes. Almost feels like a gimmick.
What do you expect them to do as one person with finite resources?
- Feb 3, 2020CactusJackSentYa
What do you expect them to do as one person with finite resources?
Which is why I said nothing will change. These conversations begin on stage and end by the next morning once every Hollywood reporter has exhausted the headline. Then we forget about it until African Americans have an underwhelming acting year and don’t get nominated.
Rise & repeat.
I admire Joaquin for starting the conversation but I hope a wheel is turning behind the scenes too, hope it isn’t just a speech for the cameras. He has enough power where people listen.
This issue is a generational thing. The people who are in power have been in power for a very long time and sure not changing their beliefs and policies overnight. This will take years if not decades, if ever.
- Feb 3, 2020Bane
I didn’t say that, I just don’t think Zhao Shuzhen or Awkwafina deserve a nod either and I haven’t seen JLo. Lupita would have been fine in Margot’s place
It’s all perspective. That’s why I’m comparing them to other nominees, in which case Margot did not have the better performance between her & Shuzhen. That’s just ridiculous imo. And f***, I love Margot but she really didn’t have much material to work with this time around. So in hindsight, it looks mad weird and only confirms some folks suspicions y’know
But hell, why should I care
Feb 3, 2020
lamzy dlxtook some time to think about this
Waves
The Last Black Man in San Francisco
Luce
High Flying Bird
Clemency
Atlanticsall good-great
Thing is almost nobody saw these movies
The films that get nominated have a combination of strong box office performance and critical acclaim and the closest movie to getting that was Husters but that ain’t on the level of any of the nominated films
- Feb 3, 2020Campari
Nothing will change.
If Joaquin wants change he needs to begin advocating for this once he walks off the stage after his 2 minutes up. These actors will go up there & begin discussing world hunger if it makes them look good.
I’m not saying he hasn’t or won’t but time & time again I’ve seen these political speeches come & go and nothing ever changes. Almost feels like a gimmick.
It’s all a bullshit ass gimmick
Like the people who throw or partake in wasteful lavish parties, fly in private jets, prob go on cruises and eat fancy ass dinners, drive super cars that are probably gas guzzlers are the ones who go up to tell us to do more for the environment?
It’s insulting listening to these guys who do deals with corporations that abuse sweatshop labor and pollute a s*** ton then come in there and tell us to respect other races or think about poorer people in other countries. Like f*** off dude
Feb 3, 2020Here's the woke points you were asking for Mr. Phoenix
Feb 3, 2020·1 replyMrYeezyI said this before and I’ll say it again, what films with POC casts from Hollywood came out last year that actually deserve nominations? Hustlers, Farewell, Dolemite, Us are not deserving of nominations because they’re either just not that good or they’re not big performers.
The issue is behind Hollywood not wanting to listen to people of colors pitches to write and direct their ideas onto the screen and instead just giving them some mediocre studio project like Birds of Prey and patting themselves on the back for giving a POC something anyone could do with their hands tied behind their back. You need more people like Lulu Wang and not bullshit like Black Panther to make this problem go away.
Ur crazy if u think Farewell isn’t deserving
Feb 3, 2020MrYeezyI said this before and I’ll say it again, what films with POC casts from Hollywood came out last year that actually deserve nominations? Hustlers, Farewell, Dolemite, Us are not deserving of nominations because they’re either just not that good or they’re not big performers.
The issue is behind Hollywood not wanting to listen to people of colors pitches to write and direct their ideas onto the screen and instead just giving them some mediocre studio project like Birds of Prey and patting themselves on the back for giving a POC something anyone could do with their hands tied behind their back. You need more people like Lulu Wang and not bullshit like Black Panther to make this problem go away.
John David Washington about to turn heads with Tenet
- Feb 3, 2020·1 replyChoose a username
Ur crazy if u think Farewell isn’t deserving
Qualitatively sure
But the movie didn’t make nearly as much money as the other nominees and its p clear the movies that get oscar nominated have to have that combo
- Feb 3, 2020·edited·1 replyMrYeezy
Qualitatively sure
But the movie didn’t make nearly as much money as the other nominees and its p clear the movies that get oscar nominated have to have that combo
But saying “they just weren’t that good” is flat wrong......since when does “having big performers” need to be the end all to have nominations? S*** should just be based in which films were the best period. And in that case nobody can argue against films like Farewell and last black man in San Fran.
Cus wasn’t ur original question “What POC movie actually deserved nominations? Well theres ur answer. Those movies actually deserve nominations regardless
Feb 3, 2020Only thing that would’ve made it better is if he acknowledged the reality of him being white giving this message makes it more palatable
Feb 3, 2020·1 replyMrYeezyI said this before and I’ll say it again, what films with POC casts from Hollywood came out last year that actually deserve nominations? Hustlers, Farewell, Dolemite, Us are not deserving of nominations because they’re either just not that good or they’re not big performers.
The issue is behind Hollywood not wanting to listen to people of colors pitches to write and direct their ideas onto the screen and instead just giving them some mediocre studio project like Birds of Prey and patting themselves on the back for giving a POC something anyone could do with their hands tied behind their back. You need more people like Lulu Wang and not bullshit like Black Panther to make this problem go away.
this tbh.... its also the same when they keep making these older films (which were male casts) and rebooting them with female casts .. watching the flop over and over again...
Then people are mad that females arent getting awards...
It's almost like hollywood just likes to preach the message, then gives POC, women or whatever some film to shut them up.
- Feb 3, 2020Choose a username
But saying “they just weren’t that good” is flat wrong......since when does “having big performers” need to be the end all to have nominations? S*** should just be based in which films were the best period. And in that case nobody can argue against films like Farewell and last black man in San Fran.
Cus wasn’t ur original question “What POC movie actually deserved nominations? Well theres ur answer. Those movies actually deserve nominations regardless
because every movie nominated has that mix of getting good reviews and also being a big box office performer
This isn’t just measured off critical acclaim. This isn’t the critics awards. They’ve tried to move away from appealing to critics in recent years because they find nobody gives a f*** about movies like Moonlight or Boyhood. And nobody cares about The Farewell or Last Black Man relatively either. People actually watched Ford v Ferrari and 1917 and loved them, not just critics.
Y’all want the Oscars to be inclusive and then critique and make fun of them when their ratings drop because they nominate some s*** nobody but a woke white liberal critic wants to see. They’re trying to listen to what the general public paid to see and loved and that’s clearly what’s been getting nominated in the past couple years. The Farewell is awards worthy sure. It’s critic award worthy and it’s independent film awards worthy, but it’s not oscar worthy.
Feb 3, 2020"I don't think anybody wants a handout or preferential treatment, although I think that's what we give ourselves every year"
so well put
- Feb 3, 2020·1 replyThugger
this tbh.... its also the same when they keep making these older films (which were male casts) and rebooting them with female casts .. watching the flop over and over again...
Then people are mad that females arent getting awards...
It's almost like hollywood just likes to preach the message, then gives POC, women or whatever some film to shut them up.
I think the critics who have been complaining about this are a million times more racist than these award shows could ever be.
Like it becomes so obvious they are d***riding some mediocre studio movie simply because a woman directed it or it preaches an inclusion message like Captain Marvel when those movies are f***ing trash and deserve worse reviews than whatever came out from Michael Bay. And I think it is far more condescending to argue for a s***ty studio movie to get attention simply cuz of the race and gender of the cast associated with it rather than actually advocating for authentic POC voices to tell the stories they want to tell. We seen how difficult it was for Lulu Wang to make her film, so much so that she was literally going to quit filmmaking. And this is from a woman who literally is connected to one of the most respected recent filmmakers. Not a single critic wants to talk about that though. They wanna cry about disney and WB not giving an asian woman a role that anyone could sleepwalk thru
- Feb 3, 2020MrYeezy
I think the critics who have been complaining about this are a million times more racist than these award shows could ever be.
Like it becomes so obvious they are d***riding some mediocre studio movie simply because a woman directed it or it preaches an inclusion message like Captain Marvel when those movies are f***ing trash and deserve worse reviews than whatever came out from Michael Bay. And I think it is far more condescending to argue for a s***ty studio movie to get attention simply cuz of the race and gender of the cast associated with it rather than actually advocating for authentic POC voices to tell the stories they want to tell. We seen how difficult it was for Lulu Wang to make her film, so much so that she was literally going to quit filmmaking. And this is from a woman who literally is connected to one of the most respected recent filmmakers. Not a single critic wants to talk about that though. They wanna cry about disney and WB not giving an asian woman a role that anyone could sleepwalk thru
yeah man its like they are saying "here we gave you a movie, now shut up and go back to your corner"
Feb 4, 2020This is cool, almost makes me feel bad for all the times I talked s*** about Her.
Almost lol