a bit of column A and B . He is taking responsibility for his actions but he is saying stop romanticizing him stop acting like its a song and dance show.

No no, the theory is that the inmate who kills Arthur ends up becoming the criminal mastermind Joker from the comics and the one that eventually goes on to become a villain of Batman. Basically, Arthur Fleck was just the inspiration for the eventual “real” Joker. But Fleck was still the Joker for these first two movies

But peep my example. How is that anymore disrespectful than what Kendrick does with Pac? Or any other music artist who samples or does homages to artist who passed away

See I like that break down cus that’s what makes the most sense to me tbh and what also had me so confused on why people hated the ending so much. Would everyone be ok with the ending if it didn’t have the Heath nod or whatever?

Okay and a lot of peoples issues is the real joker we all know wasn’t a copy cat inspired by another nigga

Yes, that’s never been a part of the ethos of the character

lol I have said some of the Pac stuff Kendrick takes too far though

He is not Pac
he is much more commercialized than Pac
Pac was calling the industry the f*** out

he was a fake gangster but he was not fake about his distaste of the industry

he wasnt like "watch the party die see you at the super bowl soon hope you enjoyed the amazon sponsored pop out "

like that has been my major gripe with kendrick and his fans jump me for it

well yeah but this was a problem with The Batman the Riddler too

Okay that’s fair I didn’t know that. I can’t be mad at that statement then since you keeping it equal across all mediums

2Pac would call Kendrick Lamar out

that is part of what I was getting to with his fanbase too as someone who has read 2Pacs life etc

yes he was imperfect but 2Pac would call parts of Kendrick and his fanbase the f*** out

Many of the Kendrick fans would not respect a true MODERN DAY 2PAC

I am a very consistent human on here it bothers many

What’s the theory there? They think the riddler in The Batman is just inspiring a more realer Riddler?

is imitation the sincerest form of flattery
is life imitating art?

Is the media to blame and truly the most destructive piece of fiction yes I said fiction including the news

no because of streamers and imitators

Man I wanna love this movie so bad just off JP performance alone. I’m mad Todd didn’t give him a better script smh.

Let the first half be Joker running around causing havoc, with a cult-like following, naturally singing and dancing while doing it on some unhinged s*** rather than a musical.

Second half have him get arrested and doing the whole trial thing. Keep his unhinged moments with the accents and all that cus that was great.

Remove Harley Quinn her character was not needed and then remove the random music bits because all that did was kill the momentum anytime the movie faded to black and here comes an imaginary musical bit that serves no purpose to the story.

Dope ideas. I would have definitely enjoyed your version way better lol

Would you have a different ending or keep the OG Ending from 2? With Arthur getting murked by the rando stan.

Is this movie really that bad? Am I wasting my money if I go?

Beau was Afraid > Joker 2

this should go without saying

What y'all thought of the musical aspect/songs in the movies itt for those who saw it?

He's one of my favorite actors but this man Joaquin couldnt carry a tune/sing at at all. It might have been mid on purpose because of his character but it was not pleasant to listen to imo lol.

Doing a whole musical when your singing voice is mid at best is definitely a choice

Havent seen Walk the Line btw so I don't know if Joaquin is a good singer irl

But have you heard him rap tho

COMPLI....FUCKIN.....CAAAAAATION

Bro doing a movie with DIDDY of all of people is insane in hindsight lol.

go see it for yourself this dooming s*** is not helping anything