He’s much more Joker than whatever this old man is.

Heath Ledger already nailed the edgy Joker on screen before. The vibe i got from the batman's joker was a poor impersonation of heath ledger's joker. Brought nothing unique to the character. What i get from Joaquin Phoenix is something new and fresh which automatically makes him better in my book.

Ofc gotta see more but from what Matt has said about this version strikes me more as the loose cannon mass murdering Joker who is evil for the heck of it. I’m not interested in a sob story about Arthur Fleck again

Joker 1 was the origin story. The 2nd movie is gonna be him as full fledged Joker i'd imagine

He’s old as s*** by the time Bruce is born, there’s no way it fits together

He was on screen for a grand total of 5 minutes

this was enough for me. Not interested in seeing anymore of this Joker. I'll just watch the dark knight.

My point being you have no idea how he would be as a full fledged character nor have they indicated they’re using him like that

That’s also a deleted scene for a reason

Nah his vocal tone has some heath but the voice overall leans more in the traditional joker direction

I'm dead the musical with gaga been announced. WB really released it again to save face

For a movie that could potentially make a billion. That's wild

If hbomax was still a thing you know Gaga woulda got her standalone tv show

Why everyone sad hbo max getting axed and I’m happy lol

I really like Barry Keoghan as Joker from what I've seen

I'd love to see Joaquin face off with Battinson instead , but im liking the direction Reeves is taking Barry's Joker

soon...

If this is a musical I will not be watching it 💀

what exactly would joaquin do to “face off” ? His joker isn’t actually some master planner/domestic terrorist

I meann to be fair, we only saw him spend like a couple days as the "Joker" in the film.
We don't get to see what type of Joker he really becomes, he's in the very very early stages of his villian progression

Later on he might just be a brutal psychopath with a lot goons and followers. Maybe like a cult type leader who has a lot of influence over Gotham's crime underground

Joker is usually not known for being physically gifted, but he always has loyal followers to do his work

this is true he could turn into that but i could only see it if he takes advantage of his cult like following like you said

thing is i think todd philips is probably having more emphasis on his disillusioned state of awareness more than trying to actually be a villan

cause you a PLEB

I doubt she had time

Imagine asking for points instead of a salary. Could make 10x the money

Yea I most definitely think Todd is taking a much more psychological approach to the character

I think a lot of the scenes in the sequel will take place in Joker's mind instead of the real world

If it's a musical then I'm out

It’s official!