Nov 3, 2023·2 replies
U R Fking WeirdThat’s not him understanding the soul but just his body being OP that it overwrote the soul. Mahito attacks the soul and I don’t see how Toji protects his soul when it is his body that’s special. Only reason I’ll say Toji beats Mahito is because HR combatants are considered objects without CE in a Domain Expansion meaning Sure Hits don’t work on them. But one touch should do the trick since he has no CE reinforcement. Still don’t know if fully realize Mahito loses are not, his stats are ridiculous. He is stronger than Yuji, and Yuji only won by chance and would’ve been killed way before if Sukuna wasn’t in him.
And I doubt Toji has an answer for maximum meteor. If Maki got caught in Urame’s maximum technique I’m positive she also would have trouble dodging Jogo’s Maximum if shot close range. Jogo is equal to about 8 Sukuna fingers. Maki had trouble with a Sukuna who was being brought to 10% of his power by Megumi. People underrate Jogo when he is actually one of the stronger characters in the series. He just fought Gojo and Sukuna which was just unlucky.
Toji easily blitzes both with speed. Couple that with the fact Jogo and Mahito wouldn't even be able to detect him on account of his lack of cursed energy + Toji's weaponry and battle iq, and it's game over. They simply wouldn't even have the time to react.
You're right tho, Jogo IS very strong (this last episode made it perfectly clear to non-manga readers) but Toji outclasses them both.
Nov 3, 2023·1 replythis episode blew my mind; really this whole second season feels like something you’d see near the endgame of a series
Nov 3, 2023·1 replyDegausserthis episode blew my mind; really this whole second season feels like something you’d see near the endgame of a series
lol yeah. Stakes are fantastic. Might have to start reading after the season ends
Nov 3, 2023·1 replySo wait, yuji has eaten nearly every sukuna finger? Doesn't that mean he's gonna be basically one of the strongest in universe now?
Kengi 💭Nov 3, 2023Bo CeephusSo wait, yuji has eaten nearly every sukuna finger? Doesn't that mean he's gonna be basically one of the strongest in universe now?
He now ate 15/20 fingers.
Altho he doesnt become stronger from that since sukuna doesnt give him his powers. The only thing yuji got from sukuna were the most basic abilities like seeing cursed spirits
- Nov 3, 2023
20 finger Sukuna reincarnated would whoop 15 finger Sukuna’s ass lol
- Nov 3, 2023·edited·2 repliesJonz
Toji easily blitzes both with speed. Couple that with the fact Jogo and Mahito wouldn't even be able to detect him on account of his lack of cursed energy + Toji's weaponry and battle iq, and it's game over. They simply wouldn't even have the time to react.
You're right tho, Jogo IS very strong (this last episode made it perfectly clear to non-manga readers) but Toji outclasses them both.
Yeah Toji does have a lot going for him, but I just think putting him way above the disaster curses like he blitz them without struggle means you put him top 10 in the series and I don’t think so or at least around bottom 10.
You have in order from strongest to weakest
1\. Sukuna
2\. Gojo
3\. Kenjaku
4\. Yuta
5\. Yuki
6\. Kashimo
7\. Hakari
8\. Takaba (could be higher, he’s up against Kenjaku and said to have power to rival Gojo)
9\. Urame
10\. Toji/MakiI guess I’m not convinced from Maki yet, she seems to be weaker than both Yuta and Hakari. Kashimo could beat Hakari, then you have Takaba who’s power is OP and Urame who froze Maki in her tracks. The others are self explanatory. And I forgot Yorozu tbh
- Nov 3, 2023·1 replyJonz
Toji easily blitzes both with speed. Couple that with the fact Jogo and Mahito wouldn't even be able to detect him on account of his lack of cursed energy + Toji's weaponry and battle iq, and it's game over. They simply wouldn't even have the time to react.
You're right tho, Jogo IS very strong (this last episode made it perfectly clear to non-manga readers) but Toji outclasses them both.
Don’t know where exactly it was said but I think jogo is just as fast as Toji
Might be remembering wrong. Toji is fast but it’s not like there aren’t others close to him
- Nov 3, 2023·1 replyU R Fking Weird
Yeah Toji does have a lot going for him, but I just think putting him way above the disaster curses like he blitz them without struggle means you put him top 10 in the series and I don’t think so or at least around bottom 10.
You have in order from strongest to weakest
1\. Sukuna
2\. Gojo
3\. Kenjaku
4\. Yuta
5\. Yuki
6\. Kashimo
7\. Hakari
8\. Takaba (could be higher, he’s up against Kenjaku and said to have power to rival Gojo)
9\. Urame
10\. Toji/MakiI guess I’m not convinced from Maki yet, she seems to be weaker than both Yuta and Hakari. Kashimo could beat Hakari, then you have Takaba who’s power is OP and Urame who froze Maki in her tracks. The others are self explanatory. And I forgot Yorozu tbh
Yeah, there are for sure several characters who outclass Toji; however, to me, what makes Toji such a cool character is the fact that his "curse" (i.e., being considered an outcast by his family and peers due to his lack of cursed energy) is, ironically, what makes him stronger than all of them (and like 99% of sorcerers for that matter). Same thing applies to Maki.
- Nov 3, 2023·1 replyLisa
Don’t know where exactly it was said but I think jogo is just as fast as Toji
Might be remembering wrong. Toji is fast but it’s not like there aren’t others close to him
Are you a manga reader?
- Nov 3, 2023·1 replyJonz
Yeah, there are for sure several characters who outclass Toji; however, to me, what makes Toji such a cool character is the fact that his "curse" (i.e., being considered an outcast by his family and peers due to his lack of cursed energy) is, ironically, what makes him stronger than all of them (and like 99% of sorcerers for that matter). Same thing applies to Maki.
Toji is a menace, top 5 auras in the series and basically top 3 biggest plot devices to drive it Lmao
- Nov 3, 2023·edited·2 repliesJonz
Are you a manga reader?
He might have a point. I know Maki has reaction time to catch Mach 3,
But it was stated Gojo and Naobito were the fastest living sorcerers (excluding Sukuna, and Cursed Naoya ), and Dagon said Naobito is probably just a bit faster than Jogo.
Toji is hella fast but it’s more about the way he moves and undetected, and his reflexes being the speed of sound per Maki.
Fastest in the series by feats is cursed Naoya, Maki just has haxed reflexes and reaction time but wasn’t faster - Nov 4, 2023ilgnd
lol yeah. Stakes are fantastic. Might have to start reading after the season ends
I’m thinking about doing the same thing - my homeboy started reading ahead and he said it gets even crazier
- Nov 4, 2023·1 replyU R Fking Weird
He might have a point. I know Maki has reaction time to catch Mach 3,
But it was stated Gojo and Naobito were the fastest living sorcerers (excluding Sukuna, and Cursed Naoya ), and Dagon said Naobito is probably just a bit faster than Jogo.
Toji is hella fast but it’s more about the way he moves and undetected, and his reflexes being the speed of sound per Maki.
Fastest in the series by feats is cursed Naoya, Maki just has haxed reflexes and reaction time but wasn’t fasterTBH, that's a good point about Naobito (although the old man was severely weakened when Jogo lit him up). One thing is certain: Gege really knows how to write fights because, instead of random ass power-ups, it often simply boils down to strategy. In that sense, some imaginary matchups can be purely speculative.
- Nov 4, 2023U R Fking Weird
Toji is a menace, top 5 auras in the series and basically top 3 biggest plot devices to drive it Lmao
Ngl that panel of maki next to toji when she's fighting her father is probably one of my favorites in the manga. So raw. That whole fight was peak.
- Nov 4, 2023·3 repliesU R Fking Weird
He might have a point. I know Maki has reaction time to catch Mach 3,
But it was stated Gojo and Naobito were the fastest living sorcerers (excluding Sukuna, and Cursed Naoya ), and Dagon said Naobito is probably just a bit faster than Jogo.
Toji is hella fast but it’s more about the way he moves and undetected, and his reflexes being the speed of sound per Maki.
Fastest in the series by feats is cursed Naoya, Maki just has haxed reflexes and reaction time but wasn’t fasterThe interesting bit is that Toji isn’t even a sorcerer so stuff like “fastest sorcerer” isn’t taking him into account regardless
But yea I think it’s safe to assume that between jogo, naobito, toji none of the 3 would be able to beat the others purely based off speed and blitzing
Would have to come down to other things. I think jogo probably takes Toji down
- Nov 4, 2023Jonz
TBH, that's a good point about Naobito (although the old man was severely weakened when Jogo lit him up). One thing is certain: Gege really knows how to write fights because, instead of random ass power-ups, it often simply boils down to strategy. In that sense, some imaginary matchups can be purely speculative.
That’s what I love about the fighting in this show, it’s about strats and match ups. Yuji was way outclass vs Mahito and is a grade 1 sorcerer at best, but was the only one capable of fighting him because of Sukuna really. Now he probably would get one tapped by Mahito but usually don’t see a main character lose their win condition like that to change a match up completely. Also all the strategies and execution of the battle system is dope as hell. And HR being a desired thing even though zero CE doesn’t make it the cliche, “I had no talent but worked hard” but just having the basic necessity to jujutsu makes you monster.
- Nov 4, 2023Lisa
The interesting bit is that Toji isn’t even a sorcerer so stuff like “fastest sorcerer” isn’t taking him into account regardless
But yea I think it’s safe to assume that between jogo, naobito, toji none of the 3 would be able to beat the others purely based off speed and blitzing
Would have to come down to other things. I think jogo probably takes Toji down
That’s actually true lol wording is important in this manga because Gege could later say he was the fastest human when including non-sorcerers. But Toji and Maki definitely have the best reaction time and reflexes I would wager because that’s a perk to HR and what allowed Maki to bully Naoya who is top 3 people in speed.
And I agree with you on Jogo, people will see his firepower next episode, he just battled the strongest two in the series but was always said to be the strongest curse, maybe not against evolved Mahito and Cursed Naoya though but I don’t know. You can’t really tell since he only fought the ones who would truly body anybody lol
- Nov 4, 2023Lisa
The interesting bit is that Toji isn’t even a sorcerer so stuff like “fastest sorcerer” isn’t taking him into account regardless
But yea I think it’s safe to assume that between jogo, naobito, toji none of the 3 would be able to beat the others purely based off speed and blitzing
Would have to come down to other things. I think jogo probably takes Toji down
Toji bullies Jogo still
- Kengi 💭Nov 4, 2023·editedLisa
The interesting bit is that Toji isn’t even a sorcerer so stuff like “fastest sorcerer” isn’t taking him into account regardless
But yea I think it’s safe to assume that between jogo, naobito, toji none of the 3 would be able to beat the others purely based off speed and blitzing
Would have to come down to other things. I think jogo probably takes Toji down
Jogo was hiding and was waiting for Toji to be gone to kill the other guys 😭
Toji and Maki are like special grade. Its not about if they could exorcise a curse its about how long it would take.
Mahito the only annoyance since he is immune to physical attack but both have the soul split sword which would counter him
- Kengi 💭Nov 4, 2023·1 replyU R Fking Weird
Yeah Toji does have a lot going for him, but I just think putting him way above the disaster curses like he blitz them without struggle means you put him top 10 in the series and I don’t think so or at least around bottom 10.
You have in order from strongest to weakest
1\. Sukuna
2\. Gojo
3\. Kenjaku
4\. Yuta
5\. Yuki
6\. Kashimo
7\. Hakari
8\. Takaba (could be higher, he’s up against Kenjaku and said to have power to rival Gojo)
9\. Urame
10\. Toji/MakiI guess I’m not convinced from Maki yet, she seems to be weaker than both Yuta and Hakari. Kashimo could beat Hakari, then you have Takaba who’s power is OP and Urame who froze Maki in her tracks. The others are self explanatory. And I forgot Yorozu tbh
Hakari over Toji the only one I disagree with
Literally what could hakari do to hurt maki and toji? At the end of the day his physicality even with infinite cursed energy stands no chance against toji and maki. Even if he hits jackpots he cant beat them in hand to hand and his healing will ultimately run out. I see Uraume, Hakari and Toji as rock paper scissors where one beats the other
Nov 4, 2023·1 replyhttps://twitter.com/Exly___/status/1720501826452123850Kengi
So it just has a insane hp amount that you have to kill in two different attacks right?
- Nov 4, 2023Kengi
Hakari over Toji the only one I disagree with
Literally what could hakari do to hurt maki and toji? At the end of the day his physicality even with infinite cursed energy stands no chance against toji and maki. Even if he hits jackpots he cant beat them in hand to hand and his healing will ultimately run out. I see Uraume, Hakari and Toji as rock paper scissors where one beats the other
I mean Toji and Maki easily outclass everyone hand to hand. Gojo and Kenjaku come after since Gege said Toji and Maki are the best hand to hand, and then said Gojo and Kenjaku are even and after them. This is without CE though. So the reason others win is due to hax involved. I think you might be right though that it’s a match up thing for those three, because I expect Hakari to beat Urame if they fight, but Maki could beat Hakari but will have a harder time getting around the ice of Urame. Same way with base Kashimo. It was a match up thing where Hakari won, but base Kashimo is probably killing Maki too.
- Nov 4, 2023ragedsycokiller
So it just has a insane hp amount that you have to kill in two different attacks right?
Insane HP. Have to kill it with one shot, or two different abilities immediately back to back, hence Sukuna using Malevolent shrine then fire arrow (two attacks), or Gojo just using his remote bomb purple (1 attack)
- Kengi 💭Nov 5, 2023
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