A mixtape with Kanye, TI, 2 Chainz, Wale, ASAP Ferg and Meek Mill is mainstream

Wtf are you talking about

He wasn't a pop star at the time but he was not some underground rapper after Owl Pharoah.

Trav had stans the same way Young Thug had stans, y'all weakening the definition to fit your narrative again, interesting

Why are people still arguing with someone who has Nav as his avi

bro Yung Bleu had a mixtape with Drake, John Legend, Kehlani, H.E.R, Kodak, Big Sean, Jeezy, Gunna, Chris Brown, 2 Chainz and Davido

you gonna say he mainstream too?

You don’t even realize what you’re saying.

If he had no stans pre-Astroworld, then how the hell did Astroworld do 270K in pure sales/bundles and 537K total first week?

That makes no sense, the hype for that album was so high because he already had a large stan following by then

Please point me to the Young Thug project that sold 537K first week.

Yes ????

Any hip-hop fan knows who he is now after that

Awesome thread filled with worthwhile discourse. Some pretty incisive insight yall got going on in here.

Because a fan buying a bundle doesn't make them a stan.

that album peaked at #12 on billboard hot 200 man if that's mainstream now i need a break

Mental illness

This guy really got the dumbest takes on this site

Biggest idiot on this site, people should just ignore him

Oh so now we're going back to high sales = you have stans, something that you yesterday said wasn't true for Drake. Very interesting how you twist things to fit your narrative

you just told me an album that peaked at #12 on billboard with like 10k sales is mainstream fam

Again, nobody ever said Drake didn’t have stans

We just said they don’t make up a majority of his audience

Casual fans are not buying bundles in bulk

You literally said yesterday multiple times he doesn't have stans lmao.

Post Malone fans did
Weeknd fans did

No I did not

I explicitly said multiple times that he obviously he has stans, they just don’t dominate his fanbase like they do for certain other artists

You literally said that Carti has more stans than Drake

You need to learn how to read bro

I said overall, Carti has a more rabid/cult-like fanbase than Drake, which is true

Because it is?

Mainstream hip-hop/R&B doesn't mean global pop star

Exactly. You’re not charting Top 15 on Billboard if you’re not mainstream to a certain extent.

There’s different tiers of mainstream obviously, but Top 12 on Billboard is definitely there

Yeah our definitions are hella different then I guess.

I'm pretty sure I could walk up to 100 travis fans and ask them who Yung Bleu is and 90%+ of them wouldn't have a clue