Oct 23, 2023·2 replies
ExpertYall really trying to downplay MJ lol. Thriller sold more than drakes discography combined probably. There are levels to this s***. Taylor swift only one close to MJ in modern era.
Taylor isn't even close to Drake let alone MJ. They never had bundles and multiple remixes like her. They're in their own league
Oct 23, 2023·4 repliesWhen are we going to start the discussion that Bad Bunny not top 3 artists out rn? He flopped with this album and hasn't had any hits since early last year, only reasons he gets brought into the discussions is cause of the worldwide tour w stadium... BUT Weeknd and Taylor doing same thing AND they got hits that remain in the top 15
Oct 23, 2023Drake stans itt being f***ing losers as always
- Oct 23, 2023·1 replyFlukiestFaun
When are we going to start the discussion that Bad Bunny not top 3 artists out rn? He flopped with this album and hasn't had any hits since early last year, only reasons he gets brought into the discussions is cause of the worldwide tour w stadium... BUT Weeknd and Taylor doing same thing AND they got hits that remain in the top 15
Dawn FM flopped dawg
Oct 23, 2023·1 replyThe Darkest AngelTaylor isn't even close to Drake let alone MJ. They never had bundles and multiple remixes like her. They're in their own league
nice try dawg, drake doesnt even have 1 album selling more than 20M worldwide.
T Swift has 3.
Oct 23, 2023·1 reply
MidzyThose basic pop songs flew off the charts.
People born 20 years after his prime trying to convince others his hits had staying power
Drake is one of only 3 acts in Hot 100 history to have at least 3 songs spend 10+ weeks at #1. The other two are Boyz II Men and Mariah Carey.
Drake and Mariah Carey are the only 2 acts in Hot 100 history to have at least 5 songs spend 8+ weeks at #1. In comparison, Bruno Mars and Taylor Swift each only have 1 song that's done that. Rihanna has done that with only 2 songs. The Weeknd has done that with 0 songs. Michael Jackson has done that with 0 songs. Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston and the Beatles have each only done that with 1 song.
Trying to drag Drake's hits for a lack of longevity is a foolish exercise. By all metrics, he's been by far the most dominant artist on the Hot 100 in the past 20 years and already owns most of the Hot 100 all-time records.
His songs may not have longevity at #1 on the Hot 100 this decade but that's the story for most #1s this decade. 65 songs have reached #1 this decade. Out of those 65, 36 of them have spent only 1 week at #1. An additional 8 songs have spent only 2 weeks at #1. An additional 5 songs have spent only 3 weeks at #1. That's 49/65 songs that have reached #1 this decade spending no more than 3 weeks at #1. Only 5 songs have spent up to 10 weeks at #1 this decade.
Drake has spent more weeks in the top 10 this decade than any other artist. He's the last person you should be trying to drag with regards to hits, especially considering how he has managed to score all his hits with 0 pop radio support like most other acts whose songs have longevity on the charts enjoy.
- Oct 23, 2023FlukiestFaun
When are we going to start the discussion that Bad Bunny not top 3 artists out rn? He flopped with this album and hasn't had any hits since early last year, only reasons he gets brought into the discussions is cause of the worldwide tour w stadium... BUT Weeknd and Taylor doing same thing AND they got hits that remain in the top 15
He was the biggest act in the US last year according to Billboard (he was ranked as the #1 act and had the #1 best-performing album of the year) and many people on here insisted he was the biggest thing ever but now, they have all the excuses for why an album which marked a return to the style of music he made for all his albums except the one he dropped last year, underperformed. He's even known as the "King of Latin Trap" because that's the style of music most of his music covers but now they're using the fact that his latest album is mostly latin trap as the reason why it underperformed.
This is a guy who sold out two tours in the US last year (one being an arena tour and the other being a stadium tour), a guy who had all the momentum going into this year, but many of them have ducked this thread since I posted his album's debut numbers yesterday because they don't have any excuses to give for that performance, especially since it's happening just a year after his massive commercial breakthrough year.
I won't count him out because artists have to underperform with 2 consecutive albums for me to count them out and he's only done so with 1 album so far but I'm definitely looking out for what his next album does.
- Oct 23, 2023·4 replieskasich2028
nice try dawg, drake doesnt even have 1 album selling more than 20M worldwide.
T Swift has 3.
You think they she has 3 albums that are each certified diamond twice?
Bruh if she sold that well this would've even be a debate but I think you're conflating sales + streams when we're talking about pure sales if we're comparing them to MJ who didn't have streamingI didn't even have to Google it to know you were wrong. Here's both of their global sales
Taylor Swift total album sales as of 2022
Album - Global Sales WW
1989 - 10,655,000
Fearless - 9,990,000
Red - 7,245,000
Taylor Swift - 6,690,000
Speak Now - 6,425,000
Reputation - 3,650,000
Midnights - 3,325,000
Folklore - 2,935,000
Lover - 2,460,000
Evermore - 1,680,000
Total global sales: 55,055,000Source - chartmasters.org/taylor-swift-albums-and-songs-sales
As far as global sales she's not that far ahead of Drake
Views - 7,687,000
Take Care - 6,920,000
Scorpion - 6,433,000
Nothing Was the Same - 4,595,000
More Life - 4,005,000
IYRTITL - 3,480,000
Thank Me Later - 3,460,000
CLB - 2,379,500
WATTBA - 2,190,000
Her Loss - 1,000,000
Honestly Nevermind - 1,000,000
Dark Lane Demo Tapes - 1,000,000
So Far Gone - 500,000
Total global sales: 44,649,500Now to be fair Thriller alone has sold more than either of their entire discographies so really they're not close but the gap isn't as big as you're making it
- Oct 23, 2023mov
Dawn FM flopped dawg
abel stans bout to bring me out retirement if they try to rewrite dawn fm history
- Oct 23, 2023·1 replythegreatdivine
Niggas were here crying saying Travis was "doing it for the fans" with the $5 vinyls when I said he only did that fraud-ass s*** to boost his numbers on the charts
Utopia has been out for 3 months now and people still haven't received their vinyls and they probably never will but yeah, he totally sold his vinyls at $5 a pop (the lowest possible figure for it to still count towards the charts) "for the fans" :jordanlaff3:
Actually only refunded a handful of fraudulent international vinyl sales
International doesn't count for Billboard chart anyway. So it had no impact on the numbers
Carry on with the ignorant rants but you continue to be one of the most ill-informed posters in these strange stan wars sales debates
- Oct 23, 2023·1 reply
Joey's in New York and he's not the only one here still waiting on their vinyl... and who the hell was even talking about international sales when Travis can't even ship to niggas in the same country as him
- Oct 23, 2023YoungLarryDavid
Actually only refunded a handful of fraudulent international vinyl sales
International doesn't count for Billboard chart anyway. So it had no impact on the numbers
Carry on with the ignorant rants but you continue to be one of the most ill-informed posters in these strange stan wars sales debates
There is nothing ignorant about my rants so you can miss me with this s***
- Oct 23, 2023·1 replyThe Darkest Angel
Joey's in New York and he's not the only one here still waiting on their vinyl... and who the hell was even talking about international sales when Travis can't even ship to niggas in the same country as him
He sold hundreds of thousands of vinyls, which counted towards the charts without them being shipped/delivered to most of the people who ordered them — that's a FACT. Travis Scott fans have been complaining for weeks now and most of them are based in the US but nigga is trying to bring up international sales to act like there's been no wrongdoing lmao.
- Oct 23, 2023·edited
- Oct 23, 2023·1 replythegreatdivine
He sold hundreds of thousands of vinyls, which counted towards the charts without them being shipped/delivered to most of the people who ordered them — that's a FACT. Travis Scott fans have been complaining for weeks now and most of them are based in the US but nigga is trying to bring up international sales to act like there's been no wrongdoing lmao.
Billboard tracks physical musical sales only once items are shipped. Look it up. Units wouldn’t have counted without shipping. Once again you are misinformed
Hundreds of thousands were shipped but a few KTT trolls who are likely international or fraudulent orders must be indicative of a conspiracy …
Maybe stick to topics you have a better grasp on like Taylor Swift x Travis Kelce or TikTok trends?
- Oct 23, 2023·2 repliesYoungLarryDavid
Billboard tracks physical musical sales only once items are shipped. Look it up. Units wouldn’t have counted without shipping. Once again you are misinformed
Hundreds of thousands were shipped but a few KTT trolls who are likely international or fraudulent orders must be indicative of a conspiracy …
Maybe stick to topics you have a better grasp on like Taylor Swift x Travis Kelce or TikTok trends?
We're not citing KTT trolls, my dude. Go on Twitter to the Travis Scott community page, go on the Travis Scott subreddit, go on the Travis Scott discord — people are all complaining. Except you think everyone complaining is a troll, I don't know what to tell you.
Even if those items were all shipped from the warehouse, they never made it to the hands of many people who ordered them and that's also the fault of Travis/his team because free shipping and the $5 price tag were all those things they used to get fans to buy those vinyls in large amounts.
The fact remains that Travis sold those vinyls at $5 a pop (which is the lowest vinyls can be sold to still count towards the Billboard 200) to boost his album on the charts for the first 4 weeks. By the fifth week, the vinyls had run out and his numbers dropped drastically.
Oct 23, 2023·1 replyThe Darkest AngelYou think they she has 3 albums that are each certified diamond twice?
Bruh if she sold that well this would've even be a debate but I think you're conflating sales + streams when we're talking about pure sales if we're comparing them to MJ who didn't have streamingI didn't even have to Google it to know you were wrong. Here's both of their global sales
Taylor Swift total album sales as of 2022
Album - Global Sales WW
1989 - 10,655,000
Fearless - 9,990,000
Red - 7,245,000
Taylor Swift - 6,690,000
Speak Now - 6,425,000
Reputation - 3,650,000
Midnights - 3,325,000
Folklore - 2,935,000
Lover - 2,460,000
Evermore - 1,680,000
Total global sales: 55,055,000Source - https://chartmasters.org/taylor-swift-albums-and-songs-sales/
As far as global sales she's not that far ahead of Drake
Views - 7,687,000
Take Care - 6,920,000
Scorpion - 6,433,000
Nothing Was the Same - 4,595,000
More Life - 4,005,000
IYRTITL - 3,480,000
Thank Me Later - 3,460,000
CLB - 2,379,500
WATTBA - 2,190,000
Her Loss - 1,000,000
Honestly Nevermind - 1,000,000
Dark Lane Demo Tapes - 1,000,000
So Far Gone - 500,000
Total global sales: 44,649,500Now to be fair Thriller alone has sold more than either of their entire discographies so really they're not close but the gap isn't as big as you're making it
So with 3 fewer projects, Taylor is 11 million ahead of Drake? Are Taylor's Versions included in this? If not, that would add another ~3 million (soon to be 4 million)
- Oct 23, 2023ANTI
So with 3 fewer projects, Taylor is 11 million ahead of Drake? Are Taylor's Versions included in this? If not, that would add another ~3 million (soon to be 4 million)
Those numbers aren’t right
Thats Drakes US sales not global - Oct 23, 2023·editedThe Darkest Angel
You think they she has 3 albums that are each certified diamond twice?
Bruh if she sold that well this would've even be a debate but I think you're conflating sales + streams when we're talking about pure sales if we're comparing them to MJ who didn't have streamingI didn't even have to Google it to know you were wrong. Here's both of their global sales
Taylor Swift total album sales as of 2022
Album - Global Sales WW
1989 - 10,655,000
Fearless - 9,990,000
Red - 7,245,000
Taylor Swift - 6,690,000
Speak Now - 6,425,000
Reputation - 3,650,000
Midnights - 3,325,000
Folklore - 2,935,000
Lover - 2,460,000
Evermore - 1,680,000
Total global sales: 55,055,000Source - https://chartmasters.org/taylor-swift-albums-and-songs-sales/
As far as global sales she's not that far ahead of Drake
Views - 7,687,000
Take Care - 6,920,000
Scorpion - 6,433,000
Nothing Was the Same - 4,595,000
More Life - 4,005,000
IYRTITL - 3,480,000
Thank Me Later - 3,460,000
CLB - 2,379,500
WATTBA - 2,190,000
Her Loss - 1,000,000
Honestly Nevermind - 1,000,000
Dark Lane Demo Tapes - 1,000,000
So Far Gone - 500,000
Total global sales: 44,649,500Now to be fair Thriller alone has sold more than either of their entire discographies so really they're not close but the gap isn't as big as you're making it
I said worldwide, bruh.. and no, the difference between them this year has became A LOT wider: T Swift moved 30 million units worldwide this year alone, your data is from 2022 which doesnt include it. Even billboard has reported that she moved 12 million units in the US alone this year already.
Not even MJ has a single year where he sold 30M+ units, the max he did was 23M or so and that was the record at the time.
- Oct 23, 2023The Darkest Angel
You think they she has 3 albums that are each certified diamond twice?
Bruh if she sold that well this would've even be a debate but I think you're conflating sales + streams when we're talking about pure sales if we're comparing them to MJ who didn't have streamingI didn't even have to Google it to know you were wrong. Here's both of their global sales
Taylor Swift total album sales as of 2022
Album - Global Sales WW
1989 - 10,655,000
Fearless - 9,990,000
Red - 7,245,000
Taylor Swift - 6,690,000
Speak Now - 6,425,000
Reputation - 3,650,000
Midnights - 3,325,000
Folklore - 2,935,000
Lover - 2,460,000
Evermore - 1,680,000
Total global sales: 55,055,000Source - https://chartmasters.org/taylor-swift-albums-and-songs-sales/
As far as global sales she's not that far ahead of Drake
Views - 7,687,000
Take Care - 6,920,000
Scorpion - 6,433,000
Nothing Was the Same - 4,595,000
More Life - 4,005,000
IYRTITL - 3,480,000
Thank Me Later - 3,460,000
CLB - 2,379,500
WATTBA - 2,190,000
Her Loss - 1,000,000
Honestly Nevermind - 1,000,000
Dark Lane Demo Tapes - 1,000,000
So Far Gone - 500,000
Total global sales: 44,649,500Now to be fair Thriller alone has sold more than either of their entire discographies so really they're not close but the gap isn't as big as you're making it
And it doesn’t do justice to mention Thriller anyway since it’s literally the best selling album of all time, in a time where people also are purchasing a lot more physical albums.
Oct 23, 2023·1 replyFlukiestFaunWhen are we going to start the discussion that Bad Bunny not top 3 artists out rn? He flopped with this album and hasn't had any hits since early last year, only reasons he gets brought into the discussions is cause of the worldwide tour w stadium... BUT Weeknd and Taylor doing same thing AND they got hits that remain in the top 15
Bad Bunny's "worldwide tour" was just Spanish-speaking countries and the US.
The Weeknd and Taylor's tours are around the world.
- Oct 23, 2023·1 reply
discussing artist's popularity worldwide will never not be stupid as f*** lmao
no s*** pop artists/latin artists are dominating, especially with their $3 subscriptions lmao
- Oct 23, 2023·edited·1 replymangotflu
discussing artist's popularity worldwide will never not be stupid as f*** lmao
no s*** pop artists/latin artists are dominating, especially with their $3 subscriptions lmao
Ok. Let’s ignore rest of the world for a minute. Domestically, T-Swift moved 13M units this year; the biggest sales year ever in Billboard history - and will likely finish at 16M.
That meet your bar?
- Oct 23, 2023·1 replyThe Darkest Angel
You think they she has 3 albums that are each certified diamond twice?
Bruh if she sold that well this would've even be a debate but I think you're conflating sales + streams when we're talking about pure sales if we're comparing them to MJ who didn't have streamingI didn't even have to Google it to know you were wrong. Here's both of their global sales
Taylor Swift total album sales as of 2022
Album - Global Sales WW
1989 - 10,655,000
Fearless - 9,990,000
Red - 7,245,000
Taylor Swift - 6,690,000
Speak Now - 6,425,000
Reputation - 3,650,000
Midnights - 3,325,000
Folklore - 2,935,000
Lover - 2,460,000
Evermore - 1,680,000
Total global sales: 55,055,000Source - https://chartmasters.org/taylor-swift-albums-and-songs-sales/
As far as global sales she's not that far ahead of Drake
Views - 7,687,000
Take Care - 6,920,000
Scorpion - 6,433,000
Nothing Was the Same - 4,595,000
More Life - 4,005,000
IYRTITL - 3,480,000
Thank Me Later - 3,460,000
CLB - 2,379,500
WATTBA - 2,190,000
Her Loss - 1,000,000
Honestly Nevermind - 1,000,000
Dark Lane Demo Tapes - 1,000,000
So Far Gone - 500,000
Total global sales: 44,649,500Now to be fair Thriller alone has sold more than either of their entire discographies so really they're not close but the gap isn't as big as you're making it
What's the source for these Drake numbers? Are these just pure sales or are streams counted too? Because, honestly, I'll be very surprised if CLB really sold 3.2M albums in pure sales in 2 years. Or even, Scorpion selling 6.4M.
- Oct 23, 2023thegreatdivine
Drake is one of only 3 acts in Hot 100 history to have at least 3 songs spend 10+ weeks at #1. The other two are Boyz II Men and Mariah Carey.
Drake and Mariah Carey are the only 2 acts in Hot 100 history to have at least 5 songs spend 8+ weeks at #1. In comparison, Bruno Mars and Taylor Swift each only have 1 song that's done that. Rihanna has done that with only 2 songs. The Weeknd has done that with 0 songs. Michael Jackson has done that with 0 songs. Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston and the Beatles have each only done that with 1 song.
Trying to drag Drake's hits for a lack of longevity is a foolish exercise. By all metrics, he's been by far the most dominant artist on the Hot 100 in the past 20 years and already owns most of the Hot 100 all-time records.
His songs may not have longevity at #1 on the Hot 100 this decade but that's the story for most #1s this decade. 65 songs have reached #1 this decade. Out of those 65, 36 of them have spent only 1 week at #1. An additional 8 songs have spent only 2 weeks at #1. An additional 5 songs have spent only 3 weeks at #1. That's 49/65 songs that have reached #1 this decade spending no more than 3 weeks at #1. Only 5 songs have spent up to 10 weeks at #1 this decade.
Drake has spent more weeks in the top 10 this decade than any other artist. He's the last person you should be trying to drag with regards to hits, especially considering how he has managed to score all his hits with 0 pop radio support like most other acts whose songs have longevity on the charts enjoy.
I wasn't talking about Drake in that post
