Ghetto Lenny

2y

2 21 Savage songs are doing better than Ariana’s song on Apple Music.

shaleirose

2y

All I am saying is that you cannot amass billions upon billions upon billions of streams in America if white people are not listening to you in droves. You saying Drake will never have the soccer mom audience of Taylor and Morgan is a moot point when he’s consistently been outstreaming them for years now, or he’s only right behind Taylor for the past year or two

Like if you’re saying Drake might never have 100 million white fans, but he still has 70-80 million. It’s a moot point. The disparity is not big enough to make any real difference

shaleirose

2y

Drake raked in 17.6 billion streams on Spotify ALONE in 2023, and some of y’all are really in here saying that white people don’t like him

iHype

2y

Literally arguing to argue lmao. Nothing you said is something anyone said otherwise on.

Original person said Drake numbers were more impressive (which is subjective and an OPINION) because he has less white America appeal. Person quoted and said that’s not an excuse as Drake is the most loved rapper by white women.

I replied saying both can be true. He can be very loved by the white population in comparison to Rap peers and still have less white appeal than a white singer. Doesn’t dismiss the original post by bringing up Drake’s appeal.

You showed that a huge portion of white consumers indeed are way less likely to ever listen to a current Rap release.

This is the same as if someone said MJ’s success is more impressive than Beatles/Elvis in their opinion because he achieved it appealing less to the white audience. A black singer in the 60s-80s factually would appeal to less of the white population off the rip. Yes MJ is beloved by many white people and reached just as much of them, but that doesn’t mean it was guaranteed nor is it unreasonable someone considers it more impressive in their subjective opinion.

iHype

2y

Literally arguing to argue lmao. Nothing you said is something anyone said otherwise on.

Original person said Drake numbers were more impressive (which is subjective and an OPINION) because he has less white America appeal. Person quoted and said that’s not an excuse as Drake is the most loved rapper by white women.

I replied saying both can be true. He can be very loved by the white population in comparison to Rap peers and still have less white appeal than a white singer. Doesn’t dismiss the original post by bringing up Drake’s appeal.

You showed that a huge portion of white consumers indeed are way less likely to ever listen to a current Rap release.

This is the same as if someone said MJ’s success is more impressive than Beatles/Elvis in their opinion because he achieved it appealing less to the white audience. A black singer in the 60s-80s factually would appeal to less of the white population off the rip. Yes MJ is beloved by many white people and reached just as much of them, but that doesn’t mean it was guaranteed nor is it unreasonable someone considers it more impressive in their subjective opinion.

BRAVE

2y

I think ppl really undermine just how much Drake distanced himself from being a topic on white America’s mind after #Dramahovmeekgate in 2015. Hiphop fans overrate it as an underhanded “Drake is for white people” thing but Drake is despised by white people this day and age ESPECIALLY white women.

The only white Americans that really love Drake in 2024 are those that are already fully into this s*** or just listen to playlists. In My Feelings/Sicko Mode was the very last hoorah for all that white america loves Drake stuff

The Darkest Angel

2y

Thank you for articulating it so clearly. Better than I could. There are a lot of parallels between Drake and MJ simply because they are black and their contemporaries are not. As much as we'd like to ignore race it does play a part in how people choose the art they consume and so they have a hard to appealing to people who can't imagine themselves in their place because they're black and the majority audience isn't. That's why we need them tho because they break barriers and they're victories will always be more impressive to me

DiamondsFlooded

2y

the billie & millie s\*\*\* did him in with them folks tbh

and for sure he stopped making those type of crossover records

Free YoungBoy

2y

Comparing the racial barriers Mike had to break through to the ones Drake had to is ignorant.

The Darkest Angel

2y

I hate to get into the whole lightskin debate because comparing struggles always been corny but I remember when Drake wasn't black enough for hip-hop either just saying... he had a VERY rough start if you was paying attention back then. His earliest critics were other black folk and they were harsh especially when he stopped trying to appeal to them and doubled down on himself and his vulnerability. I think Drake was a huge part in stopping the toxic masculinity traits from being passed onto black millennials but that deserves it's own thread

He broke more than racial barriers, he broke generational barriers and xenophobic barriers too. He was the first unsigned Canadian rapper to debut a music video for BET. The Jerusalem Post and Haaretz newspaper both named him one of the most influential Jewish artists of all time. Drake got antisemites like Kanye listening to him and criticizing him at the same time. To insinuate he hasn't had his fair share is even more ignorant. I can't think of any other artist who was challenged every step of the way as much as MJ was so I think it's a pretty fair comparison

The Darkest Angel

2y

I hate to get into the whole lightskin debate because comparing struggles always been corny but I remember when Drake wasn't black enough for hip-hop either just saying... he had a VERY rough start if you was paying attention back then. His earliest critics were other black folk and they were harsh especially when he stopped trying to appeal to them and doubled down on himself and his vulnerability. I think Drake was a huge part in stopping the toxic masculinity traits from being passed onto black millennials but that deserves it's own thread

He broke more than racial barriers, he broke generational barriers and xenophobic barriers too. He was the first unsigned Canadian rapper to debut a music video for BET. The Jerusalem Post and Haaretz newspaper both named him one of the most influential Jewish artists of all time. Drake got antisemites like Kanye listening to him and criticizing him at the same time. To insinuate he hasn't had his fair share is even more ignorant. I can't think of any other artist who was challenged every step of the way as much as MJ was so I think it's a pretty fair comparison

Free YoungBoy

2y

lol this comment is so f***ing ignorant man. MJ came up at a time where America was way more racist. You had busing, segregation was fairly recent, s*** MTV wouldn’t even play his videos because he was black.

The fact that you’re comparing that to “Drake the type of nigga” memes is insane as black American.

And that last sentence is some real small brain s***. You think Drake was challenged as much as the supremes or literally any black artist from that time who got categorized as “race music”

Midzy

2y

Drake (and a bunch of rappers) would have had a lot more #1s and hits if the charts back then didn't favour pop as much.

MJ was a pop act lead by Quincy Jones. He had it way easier when it came to charting.

He had three 1s and was a Grammy winner before the MTV thing btw.

Free YoungBoy

2y

What does this have to do with anything I said? He came out less than a decade after Jim Crow ended. There’s never gonna compare to anything Drake or any other rapper came had to deal with coming out

CKL TML

2y

Is lil nas actually independent now or was that part of the rollout aswell

Noir

2y

21 doing 200k solo would establish him as one of the biggest rappers on the planet

DS4 did 150k

Pink Tape did 167k

Heroes and Villains did 185k

I Never Liked You did 222k

Seems to me like 150-170k or around there would be a reasonable expectation for a solo 21 album.