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  • SWAN 💜
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    if this doesn’t clear Dawn FM streaming numbers he’s done

  • Feb 1, 2025
    Elemental
    https://twitter.com/talkofthecharts/status/1885793612891553951

    ? what does this mean

    It means they need to delete them "my prediction was close" posts

  • Feb 1, 2025
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    TheFader

    @thegreatdivine if we’re going off sales numbers an artist has reached twice in their entire career that means that Drake’s next album should clear 730K+ first week right?

    You just spoke about release strategy. CLB and Scorpion had similar streams. Each did about 750M US streams and CLB didn't have any major hits and had 4 less songs than Scorpion.

    Why CLB didn't debut with 700k+ units was because digital sales completely died off from 2018 till 2021. So, yes, his release strategy didn't change but that particular condition changed and affected it.

    For All the Dogs had about half of its songs as straight R&B songs and I've already said that those songs historically perform the worst for Drake on his albums. His fans always stick to supporting the rap songs the most on an album. You can go back and check how the R&B songs off Scorpion, CLB and For All the Dogs performed on the charts relative to the rap songs and their placements on the album. If the album had more rap songs or at least more melodic rap songs like Her Loss did, it'd have performed better.

    If he makes another Her Loss type album with 20+ songs, I think he could hit 650M+ US streams again.

    But as for his next album with PARTYNEXTDOOR, if it's a straight-up R&B album, regardless of how good it ends up being, it won't be a commercial behemoth because most people are waiting to hear Drake rap again and address everything that's happened since 2024.

  • Feb 1, 2025
    thegreatdivine

    The elimination of Drake is almost complete

    people are incredibly delusional.

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    thegreatdivine

    You just spoke about release strategy. CLB and Scorpion had similar streams. Each did about 750M US streams and CLB didn't have any major hits and had 4 less songs than Scorpion.

    Why CLB didn't debut with 700k+ units was because digital sales completely died off from 2018 till 2021. So, yes, his release strategy didn't change but that particular condition changed and affected it.

    For All the Dogs had about half of its songs as straight R&B songs and I've already said that those songs historically perform the worst for Drake on his albums. His fans always stick to supporting the rap songs the most on an album. You can go back and check how the R&B songs off Scorpion, CLB and For All the Dogs performed on the charts relative to the rap songs and their placements on the album. If the album had more rap songs or at least more melodic rap songs like Her Loss did, it'd have performed better.

    If he makes another Her Loss type album with 20+ songs, I think he could hit 650M+ US streams again.

    But as for his next album with PARTYNEXTDOOR, if it's a straight-up R&B album, regardless of how good it ends up being, it won't be a commercial behemoth because most people are waiting to hear Drake rap again and address everything that's happened since 2024.

    How come you’re okay with Drake getting all of those excuses but if someone brings some context to predicting Weeknd’s numbers then it’s not allowed?

    You yourself said this album doesn’t seem to have many standout singles that would fare well with the GP. How would that not affect the first week numbers?

  • Feb 1, 2025
    thegreatdivine
    https://twitter.com/HipHopAllDayy/status/1885782293303722001

    People are being FORCED to listen to his old music 🤣🤣

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    SWAN

    if this doesn’t clear Dawn FM streaming numbers he’s done

    "he's done"

    it's his last album anyway with The Weeknd

  • Feb 1, 2025
    SWAN

    if this doesn’t clear Dawn FM streaming numbers he’s done

    It definitely will. After Hours and Dawn debuted with the exact same first day streams, the only reason one finished with 220M and the other with 170M was word of mouth. People loved After Hours, but did not love Dawn FM.

    Most people are loving HUT as of right now, I think the first week stream numbers will be somewhere between Dawn and After Hours, maybe settling around 200M flat or like 210M

  • Feb 1, 2025
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    mov

    "he's done"

    it's his last album anyway with The Weeknd

    Also this, like either way he’s “done” as The Weeknd

  • Feb 1, 2025
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    TheFader

    Also this, like either way he’s “done” as The Weeknd

    "he's done" while One Of The Girls still getting around 3 million streams daily

    He's doing more than fine, he had so many hits in the last years without "crazy" effort

  • Feb 1, 2025
    mov

    "he's done" while One Of The Girls still getting around 3 million streams daily

    He's doing more than fine, he had so many hits in the last years without "crazy" effort

    Yeah he’s fine lmao

    This album will 100% score another 3-4 songs with a billion streams for him

  • Feb 1, 2025
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    TheFader

    How come you’re okay with Drake getting all of those excuses but if someone brings some context to predicting Weeknd’s numbers then it’s not allowed?

    You yourself said this album doesn’t seem to have many standout singles that would fare well with the GP. How would that not affect the first week numbers?

    They're not excuses.

    That's why I'm focused on its debut week numbers, not how it'll perform 6 months from now. With it having 22 songs, multiple physical variants and box sets, as well as being promoted as his last album as the Weeknd, all those things should factor into a strong debut week and a good headstart. That's always been my point.

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    thegreatdivine

    They're not excuses.

    That's why I'm focused on its debut week numbers, not how it'll perform 6 months from now. With it having 22 songs, multiple physical variants and box sets, as well as being promoted as his last album as the Weeknd, all those things should factor into a strong debut week and a good headstart. That's always been my point.

    How would 300-350K not be a strong debut? 400K+ is literally his peak.

    It’s like expecting a Drake retirement album to clear a million first week since that’s what his peak is

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    TheFader
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    How would 300-350K not be a strong debut? 400K+ is literally his peak.

    It’s like expecting a Drake retirement album to clear a million first week since that’s what his peak is

    I'm not the only who was projecting less than 300k units despite it having physical while Dawn FM didn't. That was you.

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    thegreatdivine

    I'm not the only who was projecting less than 300k units despite it having physical while Dawn FM didn't. That was you.

    I literally said 340K yesterday

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    TheFader

    I literally said 340K yesterday

    What did you say initially?

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    thegreatdivine

    What did you say initially?

    250-300K. That was before we learned how long the album was and if people would enjoy it or not.

    If it was a 13 track album that people disliked, obviously it would perform worse than a 22 track album that people heavily enjoy.

    That’s exactly why Honestly, Nevermind only sold 200K. It was a 13 track dance album that everyone hated

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    TheFader

    250-300K. That was before we learned how long the album was and if people would enjoy it or not.

    If it was a 13 track album that people disliked, obviously it would perform worse than a 22 track album that people heavily enjoy.

    That’s exactly why Honestly, Nevermind only sold 200K. It was a 13 track dance album that everyone hated

    This is cope. You knew it wouldn't be a 13-track album because in the album thread, y'all were listing off countless songs he'd already previewed and were making predictions on how many songs would make the album. No one in there expected a short album for his last album as the Weeknd.

    Also, he had already released and sold out multiple physical variants and box sets, so he had a solid headstart on the physicals front (something he didn't have with Dawn FM), so either way, the album was always going to perform at least twice as well as Dawn FM did in its debut week.

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    This is cope. You knew it wouldn't be a 13-track album because in the album thread, y'all were listing off countless songs he'd already previewed and were making predictions on how many songs would make the album. No one in there expected a short album for his last album as the Weeknd.

    Also, he had already released and sold out multiple physical variants and box sets, so he had a solid headstart on the physicals front (something he didn't have with Dawn FM), so either way, the album was always going to perform at least twice as well as Dawn FM did in its debut week.

    Yes twice as well as Dawn FM would basically be 250-300K

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    Yes twice as well as Dawn FM would basically be 250-300K

    Again: according to you, 300-350k is a "solid debut" but 400k is unrealistic and insanity

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    thegreatdivine

    Again: according to you, 300-350k is a "solid debut" but 400k is unrealistic and insanity

    And according to you, 350K would be a flop but 400K would be commendable

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    TheFader

    And according to you, 350K would be a flop but 400K would be commendable

    I said if it did less than 400k, it'd be an underperformance. I didn't use the word "flop." And I listed off all the reasons why I thought that. All logical reasons.

    Aren't you the same person who said Drake doing 400k with For All the Dogs was an underperformance, despite that being his third album in a 16-month span? 🤔

  • Feb 1, 2025
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    The shambles because the weeknd underperforming is always hilarious 😂😂😂😂😂😂 keep spiraling. Drake will always be the bigger artist.

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    thegreatdivine

    I said if it did less than 400k, it'd be an underperformance. I didn't use the word "flop." And I listed off all the reasons why I thought that. All logical reasons.

    Aren't you the same person who said Drake doing 400k with For All the Dogs was an underperformance, despite that being his third album in a 16-month span? 🤔

    Can’t even argue with that user. Had to block him. He legit doesn’t make sense lmao. Decided to stop wasting my time.

  • Feb 1, 2025
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    Big Dog

    Can’t even argue with that user. Had to block him. He legit doesn’t make sense lmao. Decided to stop wasting my time.

    I had him blocked earlier but unblocked him to say something and it's been longer than I thought.

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