Oct 6, 2025·2 replies
kasich2032i dont believe theyre the same, ive been saying selling 3M in 2025 is a hell lot harder than selling 3M in 2015, even given the extra variants. the sales market has shrunk to 1/50th of what it was 10 years ago, and one T swift Vinyl is worth 50 bucks + shipping, while adele had 1.5 million itunes sales which were $9.99.
and as you have mentioned, there is streaming. we know that the albums with the most unique listeners are t swift's. even her last album, 'TTPD' had 13 million unique listeners on spotify in the US alone first week. and we know apple music +amazon music actually has more listeners in the US than spotify.
so her new albums are easily being listened to by 20-30 million different individuals in the US first week. all those millions of listeners translated into 800M streams first week which only translated to 700k album-equivalent sales. had the go-to method of music consumption been buying albums instead of streaming, like it was 10 years ago, she EASILY would shatter the 3M record without any variants.
however, im not here to say if adele had released '25' today under the same stardom as back then, that she could or couldnt outdo T Swift. all im saying is selling albums today is a lot harder than in 2015, so when you see variants, its just a necessary tool to revitalize sales and make it possible to compete to the sales numbers from the last decade. it is time we collectively acknolwedge this simple fact.I disagree as @fader says its the same people buying the album 20 times. For someone like Taylor the people who bought now would have bought it in 2015 but she wasnt be as desperate for breaking records and have 80 versions to buy. This multiple versions s*** only works when you have stans. Pre streaming people usually bough main album or target version or deluxe. Very rarely did people 30 of the same albums.
Oct 6, 2025·1 replyBig DogBro its a waste of time. One dude in here genuinely believes GNX is the biggest rap album of the decade. Its been selling like actual ass.
did you enjoy the full stadium shows yesterday from grand national tour?
- Oct 6, 2025
TheFaderI mean it’s a 400K decrease in five years, almost half of what Views did first week
Its not drastic, but it does exist
To be fair it was because of the introduction to streaming lol. Scorpion would have sold a million as well in the same climate as views.
- Oct 6, 2025·1 replyLetHIMSortEmOut
did you enjoy the full stadium shows yesterday from grand national tour?
Yea 🔥🔥🔥!!! His tour been so empty they paid me 50$ to pull up 🙌🙌🙌
- Oct 6, 2025Big Dog
Yea 🔥🔥🔥!!! His tour been so empty they paid me 50$ to pull up 🙌🙌🙌
is ur hair still Soulless Ginger? 🔥
- Gosh 😹Oct 6, 2025·1 replyBig Dog
Bro its a waste of time. One dude in here genuinely believes GNX is the biggest rap album of the decade. Its been selling like actual ass.
He’s literally arguing for the point that Kendrick is just as big as Drake currently
- Oct 6, 2025·2 repliesGosh
He’s literally arguing for the point that Kendrick is just as big as Drake currently
And he’s not lol. Drake will 99.99% most likely be the #1 selling rapper each year until he retires. And probably for years after that.
- Gosh 😹Oct 6, 2025Big Dog
And he’s not lol. Drake will 99.99% most likely be the #1 selling rapper each year until he retires. And probably for years after that.
Tell that to gortex, it’s not my fault you didn’t read the entire post to the end
And we are talking about head to head if they dropped right now, not accumulative streams
Just like Taylor selling 3 millions means nothing to me, drakes streams also mean nothing and don’t equal quality
- Oct 6, 2025Big Dog
And he’s not lol. Drake will 99.99% most likely be the #1 selling rapper each year until he retires. And probably for years after that.
are you saying we aren't in the dot era
SABMAN TURNT 🧔🏻Oct 6, 2025·2 repliesidk what the argument is here, but i think the best indicator of whether an artist is actually a popstar is if a large portion of their fanbase actually cares & argues about sales
sales are never an indicator of quality in art, but they are a measure of how popular an artist is, which is the definition of making pop music
Rap & R&B fans don’t seriously care about sales. only pop stans do.
Oct 6, 2025i'm surprised to see Folded is Kehlani's highest charting single
I woulda thought Nights Like This that song was everywhere
Oct 6, 2025taylro numbers are insane
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Billboard 200 top 10 this week:
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Oct 6, 2025·2 repliesSABMAN TURNTidk what the argument is here, but i think the best indicator of whether an artist is actually a popstar is if a large portion of their fanbase actually cares & argues about sales
sales are never an indicator of quality in art, but they are a measure of how popular an artist is, which is the definition of making pop music
Rap & R&B fans don’t seriously care about sales. only pop stans do.
rap fans don't seriously care about sales is a crazy statement to me
especially when rap artists themselves probably care the most about sales out of any genre artist and put it on wax consistently. the fans care by extension and because the genre is so competitive by nature
- Oct 6, 2025·edited·2 repliesSABMAN TURNT
idk what the argument is here, but i think the best indicator of whether an artist is actually a popstar is if a large portion of their fanbase actually cares & argues about sales
sales are never an indicator of quality in art, but they are a measure of how popular an artist is, which is the definition of making pop music
Rap & R&B fans don’t seriously care about sales. only pop stans do.
When not like us was popping and gnx came out, Kendrick fans were posting and bragging about every espn stat out there. Now that his numbers are dropping, hip hop fans supposedly don’t care about sales. You’re not fooling anyone
- Oct 6, 2025Harlem
rap fans don't seriously care about sales is a crazy statement to me
especially when rap artists themselves probably care the most about sales out of any genre artist and put it on wax consistently. the fans care by extension and because the genre is so competitive by nature
It’s especially a crazy statement because the page he says this in has 5100 pages so it’s obviously false
- Gosh 😹Oct 6, 2025·editedBlue Man· edited
When not like us was popping and gnx came out, Kendrick fans were posting and bragging about every espn stat out there. Now that his numbers are dropping, hip hop fans supposedly don’t care about sales. You’re not fooling anyone
It was hilarious to see the guy you clearly think isn’t close to drakes level outdo him in every category including numbers during the battle
Apparently that had a huge effect on you, but the battle is over, and all the back catalog streams in the world won’t hide how easy it was for Kendrick to outdo drakes numbers mid battle
- Oct 6, 2025·1 replyMafia Boss
I disagree as @fader says its the same people buying the album 20 times. For someone like Taylor the people who bought now would have bought it in 2015 but she wasnt be as desperate for breaking records and have 80 versions to buy. This multiple versions s*** only works when you have stans. Pre streaming people usually bough main album or target version or deluxe. Very rarely did people 30 of the same albums.
again, she has record amount of unique listeners on release week, it was 13 million on spotify a lone last time, this time will be even higher. if those people doesnt have the option to stream, and had to buy physicals like in the 2010s, then she'd get much higher than just 3m. she wasnt nearly as big back in the 2010s though.
- Oct 6, 2025
anyways @iHype i remember you used to do a tally for billboard year-end stuff right? do u happen to know what date it ends for billboard year '25? if it ends a week earlier, then morgan's album gets a free win, if its this week, then she probably snatches it right from his ass, right??
goretex 💁🏽♂️Oct 6, 2025We in da sales thread brah
- goretex 💁🏽♂️Oct 6, 2025·2 replies
Let’s be real
Everyone likes talking numbers when they artist doin numbers
Oct 6, 2025Somebody has to bring the S tier/near S tier compositions back. We got flashes of it most recently with:
Die with a Smile
Espresso
Birds of a Feather
Not Like Us
Luther
Please Please Please
Good Luck BabeBut it’s not enough. It’s not enough
- Gosh 😹Oct 6, 2025·1 replygoretex
Let’s be real
Everyone likes talking numbers when they artist doin numbers
Nah it was only fun during the battle
On their own it’s extremely boring and hollow
- goretex 💁🏽♂️Oct 6, 2025Gosh
Nah it was only fun during the battle
On their own it’s extremely boring and hollow
