AlephLance

2y

I mean cool as in trendy, u know that. Sorry about your friend. I'll chill as I please, oppressor

beflygelt

2y

no fair enough I didn't wanna say there is nothing to dig. I mean more that it's a trend I'm seeing with his music from then on

I can also just say gkmc and TPAB is imo god tier writing, DAMN still had a lot of that, Mr Morale was cool w many moments of greatness but I see it as a declining trend atm

beflygelt

2y

as much as I enjoyed Drake finally getting his deserved shade my position on this beef overall is that it's a money milking venture from both parties in the end. it's just self-aggrendizing and enjoying the attention and not once saying anything about pressing issues like palestine or the completely ruinous state of the music industry rn.

Kendrick's post-Damn era has been rly underwhelming for me, not just because he used to stylize himself as politically outspoken, but it just generally seems like wealth is getting to him and he's lacking content that's rly relevant for the average listener.

mr. morale at least still had an interesting sound, not like us is still cool too but overall I also found the music a bit boring and it almost feels like he's sliding more and more into an eminem "greatest rapper alive" lyrical acrobatic but again just not with a whole lot to say. like yes he did a couple good incisive tracks taking down Drake but first off he's almost like too easy a target and secondly it's just getting stale now with the 7th diss

might not be an entirely fair critique cause I did not sit down and take apart all these tracks because I just pretty quickly got tired of it all, most of these I just listen once out of faint interest and yawn

AlephLance

2y

Ur real for pointing out the odd future influence. add in Steve lacy hardcore

YunoKilometers

2y

nah this really is condom eyes alt. man snuck in palestine in there

beflygelt

2y

yh I mean I was following it all from 2011 on and it's honestly insane how with their rise to pop stars the discussion and whole climate changed from super homophobic and queerphobic to it just not being a big deal at least and able to co-exist

kanye kind of described it perfectly in 2005 that being gay was literally like the opposite of hip hop cool. he deserves a big shoutout too for co-signing frank and tyler very early on tbh

it seemed like almost all the big out and proud rappers and pop stars coming after odd future like Lil Nas X etc acknowledged how much they changed the atmosphere too

there's still a lot of homophobia especially in the language still tho and I still get that from kendrick too ngl. painting drake as effeminate (like saying "instagram baddie", alluding to bbl etc) during this entire diss era has hk homophobic undertones and feels a bit tonedeaf imo

AlephLance

2y

Same here, u remember the OFTalk forums? R.I.P
Good post, love that Kanye interview.

deleteduser579

2y

bro talking about “self-aggrandizing” and then drops in a:

the holier than thou attitude these niggas have towards Kendrick making socially conscious music just blows my mind, they hold this nigga to a higher standard than their local politicians

Gary Givenchy

2y

yeah he definitely addresses the industry in this

it is extremely lazy to write this off as just another diss song

insertcoolnamehere

2y

euro hours crodie

beflygelt

2y

yh I do but I was barely on there, didn't even have an account. kanye was my goat then and ktt was my first and only forum. the Doris leak on here was pretty legendary

deleteduser579

2y

bro talking about “self-aggrandizing” and then drops in a:

the holier than thou attitude these niggas have towards Kendrick making socially conscious music just blows my mind, they hold this nigga to a higher standard than their local politicians

beflygelt

2y

palestine has a different feel to it than just your average political issue. I rly think ppl will look back on the 20s as what the 30s were to the last century tbh. netanyahu is probably the closest we've had to a hitler since then.

I'm not putting this squarely on kendrick and drake but the silence of all these mainstream artists of hip hop, a genre which is supposed to be one of resistance and outspoken political position, rly speaks volumes about where the genre is at rn.

it's supposed to be a voice of solidarity with people who are struggling and instead it's just become another voice of the ultra-rich.

deleteduser579

2y

a Euro as an OP of the sLums thread is some crazy work

beflygelt

2y

palestine has a different feel to it than just your average political issue. I rly think ppl will look back on the 20s as what the 30s were to the last century tbh. netanyahu is probably the closest we've had to a hitler since then.

I'm not putting this squarely on kendrick and drake but the silence of all these mainstream artists of hip hop, a genre which is supposed to be one of resistance and outspoken political position, rly speaks volumes about where the genre is at rn.

it's supposed to be a voice of solidarity with people who are struggling and instead it's just become another voice of the ultra-rich.

ManU Minute

2y

I remember when the illuminati “conspiracy” gained momentum and there was an internet wide campaign to mock and downplay the ideal of something like that existing.

Epstein & Diddy situations basically confirm the reality of the “illuminati” but the campaign was so successful people reacted with such apathy your average consumer hs basically accepted this is just the order of things now.

deleteduser579

2y

bra stop it man, you already showed your whole hand in your following posts genuinely don’t understand why y’all hide behind political and sociological s*** instead of just being honest and saying you weren’t feeling his music, it’s underhanded and distasteful

Kendrick just dropped a whole album on black trauma, coming to terms with your flaws as a person, how it affects the people around you etc. and you’re telling me his content has worsened because he didn’t speak on your political issue of choice

these celebrities and artists aren’t your personal megaphones and soapboxes, this sorta stuff is exactly why he made songs like Savior and Crown

beflygelt

2y

I can only say majority of my friends are queer and they're p much evenly split on loving and hating the track. I don't hate it, because I see the intention but it still makes me cringe.

a lot of talking w my trans friends is about how much the subtleties of language can do a lot of damage so I just find it disappointing coming from such a great writer, even if overall commendable given his background and platform.

I just rly think it's at least questionable to hail it as "Kendrick made being trans cool"

deleteduser579

2y

ehh that Illuminati stuff was mixed in with some Satanic ritual s*** and adrenochrome schizo nonsense half the time

i don’t think the general idea that the industry does weird s*** in the shadows is that controversial

JPEGMAFIA

2y

Rap simply can't be the mainstream genre where the top artists sell 300-600k first week and also be a politically revolutionary genre. Those are contradictory things. Look at how quiet the top rappers are (Kendrick and Cole included)

Once you make a radical statement (like genocide is bad, apparently) not only do you cut off potential audience but it out also cut off potential industry ties and connections.

We can't have Kendrick and Drake as successful as they are AND also have the leaders of the genre be politically charged. It's one or the other