yeah i wasn't saying that no more parties made it a better album, damn vs pablo just reminded me of the two verses

Songs like Real Friends, ULB and NMPILA are Kanye classics.

To me Pablo is Kanye bringing together his whole career to finally settle on a 'Kanye sound' with a few new sounds like Fade too. It's the logical end point of everything from Dropout to Yeezus coming together. Which given how much his sound means to hip hop and modern pop music is a cool moment. I think his career is incomplete without it. I think Kendrick's still would be without Damn.

Sure I wish he'd swapped Highlights for Only One and not rapped about sandwiches on wolves or whatever, but he came through on Pablo. It's worth it for how many highs there are. The highs on Damn don't get anywhere near what Kendrick has been capable of in the past. I actually thought Untitled Unmastered was a better project from him tbh

Neither DAMN or Pablo are a classic album though imo. You're right about Damn being more consistent, but consistency isn't everything. I'd rather get an album like Pablo that felt like it mattered more and was more interesting over something that was less flawed.

That's where we disagree. You might value TLOP more than most and I might value DAMN more than most.

I think you can tell his career pretty fine without Pablo.

DAMN. gave Kendrick his first number one record and a pulitzer. It also put him in English classes for AB literature.

That album did more for his career than any of his othervalbums outside of music.

TLOP didn't do much for Kanye outside if music especially looking back it. And it didn't tell anythubg we didn't know musically. It didn't give Kanye another number one hit record. It wasn't his best rapping and was hus worst up to tgat point. It wasn't experimental. It was a good Kanye album with dope production and great feature. It was his least most risky album up to that point after he really started experimenting.

The Pulitzer is a non point to me. They were ready to give it to a hip hop album. It would have been whatever the closest thing to an universally loved album was at the time. If it had been 2010 it would have been MBDTF , if it had been the 80s it would have beenn Public Enemy. There's so many albums that deserve a pulitzer. I don't see any way Damn deserves one more than TPAB

the lack of experimentation is kind of my point though - Pablo is the closest thing you can get to a final version of a constantly evolving artist like Ye. For example it felt like he'd planted the seeds for ULB with I'll Fly Away, Two Words and Jesus Walks on dropout, that's how far back he was going. It felt a bit like a musical reflection to me, rather than him searching for another reinvention like he usually does. Maybe it's experimental for him in its lack of experimentation lol. Also just because it's less weird than Yeezus doesn't automatically mean it's like inventive.

There are a few experiments for Kanye though tbf like Fade - which lowkey works as a better tribute to Chicago than Homecoming. And the end of FML has a very weird sample choice. Plus, ULB is his first full gospel track if you don't count I'll Fly Away.

Damn feels way more safe for Kendrick, compared to the bold risk in sound he took on TPAB.

On the hits point, Pablo was probably his most popular album since MBDTF. It just wasn't tracked for months because of Tidal exclusives

don't get me wrong they're both decent albums

Pop off only on occasion brother

DAMN is objectively better than anything Kanye has ever done, whether you subjectively like kanye records more or not

DAMN is a flawless record and probably the best musically composed rap album. That dude theDonandOnly thinking kanye could come with something as good got his own musical tastes and the actual quality of the music confused...it happens when you lack musical knowledge.

always the same story...we all know this is gonna be universally acclaimed and vastly superior than anything else from a pure quality angle

need an update man