Oct 24, 2023·edited·1 reply
eye contactsomeone sitting at home playing around with bars to add into a rhyme book for later does not have expression on their mind. They have technical refinement on their mind, finding flows, rhymes, and inflections that they are not looking to express, but to develop, save, memorize for the later act of expression
obviously with guitars, rapping, the paintbrush, the pen, the intended use is artistic expression, and it is the final use, but it is not the one and only way it can be used. they can be used to develop skill upon the final execution of the form. finding strokes, words, chords, etc to keep sitting in the back of the mind
art is abstract and we can define the term of expression as abstractly as well. an exercise of rhyme in the park with a friend, the booth of a recording studio, a cypher for a tv show. all are forms of expression
but, we can all agree that my example wasn't expression, since it wasn't mean to be consumed and processed by an audience (the artist is a member of their own audience as well), but rather used to define and refine the form before its presentation.
as both an artist and as someone that luvs ya lemme break down why you wrong
first off, you mentioning "take one art a***ysis class guys" just self-sabotages your point more because academia is a notorious killer of all art/takes away the magic of the art being a***yzed by taking away all of its uniqueness by putting it in full display and examining all of its kinks and innards like a frog in a science class.
Most jazz artists/fans would tell you one of the things that contributed to the "death of jazz" (cause genres can never die but it's definitely not as "popping") was the fact it started being talked about in academia at LARGE. Trying to explain the trifling livelihood of the black musicians within Jim Crow to a bunch of sheltered liberal white kids sorta turns the artform to the ending of Vince Staples' Senorita video (white folks witnessing carnage through the glass like zoo animals)
Guess which genre is starting to become more studied in schools these days?
This was the professor that reportedly taught a class on To Pimp A Butterfly (an absolutely unapologetically black album). See the cognitive dissonance?
"i think artistic expression needs artistic intent versus just doing s***" you do realize just doing s*** is artistic intent right? Like the definition of intent is purpose (that's google saying that), so the nigga typing bars on a youtube comment, his purpose is to be seen and validated on said bars.
we can all agree that my example wasn't expression, since it wasn't mean to be consumed and processed by an audience (the artist is a member of their own audience as well) your parenthesis once again tears down your point. If the artist themselves can be their own audience than wouldn't that mean the nigga practicing his strokes (
) or the nigga practicing his scales or the nigga practicing his bars is indeed utilizing artistic intent with just themselves being the validation they need?The thing that made rap (and most black genres special at the beginning of its lifespan) special was....everybody was just practicing and figuring out what the f*** to do as s*** started picking up steam. Lot of these djs at the start of it were kids/young teens that were f***ing around with their parents soundsystems (cause Caribbeans even to this day just have the craziest sound systems even in their homes).
The commercialization of this s*** or even an audience wasn't at the core front of these peoples minds at the START of it but just pure creation just to create. Practice is art.
Is that not artistic intent because it wasn't in front of an audience?
Oct 24, 2023·1 reply
yungkingJay Z’s music grown regardless due to his image
Uzi’s anime/punk aesthetic has a ceiling age wise
i lowkey feel like it don't depending on how you implement it, he just emphasized the youth culture aspect too much.
Ye was 30 when he made Stronger and that s*** was a whole AKIRA reference
- Oct 24, 2023SegaDreamFlash
i lowkey feel like it don't depending on how you implement it, he just emphasized the youth culture aspect too much.
Ye was 30 when he made Stronger and that s*** was a whole AKIRA reference
Stronger was one of those universal songs that had basic message so it had that going for it despite the AKIRA reference
I don’t think Uzi is capable of making something like that without maturing in someway
Oct 24, 2023·editedeye contactsomeone sitting at home playing around with bars to add into a rhyme book for later does not have expression on their mind. They have technical refinement on their mind, finding flows, rhymes, and inflections that they are not looking to express, but to develop, save, memorize for the later act of expression
obviously with guitars, rapping, the paintbrush, the pen, the intended use is artistic expression, and it is the final use, but it is not the one and only way it can be used. they can be used to develop skill upon the final execution of the form. finding strokes, words, chords, etc to keep sitting in the back of the mind
art is abstract and we can define the term of expression as abstractly as well. an exercise of rhyme in the park with a friend, the booth of a recording studio, a cypher for a tv show. all are forms of expression
but, we can all agree that my example wasn't expression, since it wasn't mean to be consumed and processed by an audience (the artist is a member of their own audience as well), but rather used to define and refine the form before its presentation.
When you’re refining your form you still could expressing though. It seems like you’re saying the key to art is presentation
It’s really kind of in the eye of the beholder, since you’re going all academic think about the John Cage silent piece which challenges what art or music composition is. A scale is just an exercise but at what point can a scale become art? If I play a scale over and over in front of an audience, how long before it becomes art? Does it become art when it creates a reaction in the audience? Or is it my intention of it being more than an exercise that makes it art?
It’s just too grey and kind of a silly debate in all honesty, like who cares to make this distinction of what’s art and what isn’t? Some s*** might be more artful or intentional or expressive than other s*** but none of those factors is what makes art art. It’s way too up to interpretation
Freestyle rapping is definitely art like 99% of the time, and if I record someone free styling or practicing their instrument without their consent, it’s pretty easy for it to become art even if you want to say it wasn’t originally intended to be art. I just have to say it’s art or look at it as art
- Oct 24, 2023insertcoolnamehere
as both an artist and as someone that luvs ya lemme break down why you wrong
first off, you mentioning "take one art a***ysis class guys" just self-sabotages your point more because academia is a notorious killer of all art/takes away the magic of the art being a***yzed by taking away all of its uniqueness by putting it in full display and examining all of its kinks and innards like a frog in a science class.
Most jazz artists/fans would tell you one of the things that contributed to the "death of jazz" (cause genres can never die but it's definitely not as "popping") was the fact it started being talked about in academia at LARGE. Trying to explain the trifling livelihood of the black musicians within Jim Crow to a bunch of sheltered liberal white kids sorta turns the artform to the ending of Vince Staples' Senorita video (white folks witnessing carnage through the glass like zoo animals)
Guess which genre is starting to become more studied in schools these days?
This was the professor that reportedly taught a class on To Pimp A Butterfly (an absolutely unapologetically black album). See the cognitive dissonance?
"i think artistic expression needs artistic intent versus just doing s***" you do realize just doing s*** is artistic intent right? Like the definition of intent is purpose (that's google saying that), so the nigga typing bars on a youtube comment, his purpose is to be seen and validated on said bars.
we can all agree that my example wasn't expression, since it wasn't mean to be consumed and processed by an audience (the artist is a member of their own audience as well) your parenthesis once again tears down your point. If the artist themselves can be their own audience than wouldn't that mean the nigga practicing his strokes (
) or the nigga practicing his scales or the nigga practicing his bars is indeed utilizing artistic intent with just themselves being the validation they need?The thing that made rap (and most black genres special at the beginning of its lifespan) special was....everybody was just practicing and figuring out what the f*** to do as s*** started picking up steam. Lot of these djs at the start of it were kids/young teens that were f***ing around with their parents soundsystems (cause Caribbeans even to this day just have the craziest sound systems even in their homes).
The commercialization of this s*** or even an audience wasn't at the core front of these peoples minds at the START of it but just pure creation just to create. Practice is art.
Is that not artistic intent because it wasn't in front of an audience?
Great post, yeah it was weird for them to say that basically an audience or presentation to an audience is essential to make something art. That’s definitely not true, the s*** I will never release is still art
- Oct 24, 2023
If I steal Michelangelo’s practice canvas with his brush stroke practice on it and bring that to a gallery, best believe that s*** gonna be seen as art
Oct 24, 2023He'll be back lol
Vlonely 🦍Oct 24, 2023The retirement gimmick is the most annoying gimmick
Oct 24, 2023eye contactsomeone sitting at home playing around with bars to add into a rhyme book for later does not have expression on their mind. They have technical refinement on their mind, finding flows, rhymes, and inflections that they are not looking to express, but to develop, save, memorize for the later act of expression
obviously with guitars, rapping, the paintbrush, the pen, the intended use is artistic expression, and it is the final use, but it is not the one and only way it can be used. they can be used to develop skill upon the final execution of the form. finding strokes, words, chords, etc to keep sitting in the back of the mind
art is abstract and we can define the term of expression as abstractly as well. an exercise of rhyme in the park with a friend, the booth of a recording studio, a cypher for a tv show. all are forms of expression
but, we can all agree that my example wasn't expression, since it wasn't mean to be consumed and processed by an audience (the artist is a member of their own audience as well), but rather used to define and refine the form before its presentation.
Practice is still expression bro. You're expressing everytime u do the "thing".
- Oct 24, 2023
what is going on itt lol
Oct 24, 2023fiveprestoshe's been on since like 2015 and has had more mid years (2018-2023) than good years (2016-2017)
was never that great of an artist and his image always implied an artistic capability that he never really had...I always knew the hype was blown out of proportion when the song that sounds like SpongeBob went big
P’S and Q’s
- Oct 24, 2023
Bro0o0sesHe's insecure which is weird because he's consistently at least decent
Hasn't been a bad uzi project
Or this is just his way of hyping stuff up
He just dropped Pink Tape brother
Oct 24, 2023lil uzi non binary or nah?
cause everybody is still saying “he”
- Oct 24, 2023eye contact
just because ur playing gatar doesnt mean ur making art
just because ur rapping doesnt mean ur making art
just because ur drawing doesnt mean ur making art
just because ur writing doesnt mean ur making artX played gatar
- Oct 24, 2023·3 replieseye contact
once again rap and hiphop is the greatest art form there is in my opinion
but the medium does not automatically determine the form
Calling rap/hip-hop the greatest art form probably the worst thing I've seen you post
- Oct 24, 2023
They need to come to terms with aging lol
Crazy thing is he’s still an A list rapper he just needs to get out of his own head
- Oct 24, 2023membersince23
Calling rap/hip-hop the greatest art form probably the worst thing I've seen you post
Take the L train fam
Oct 24, 2023·1 replymembersince23Calling rap/hip-hop the greatest art form probably the worst thing I've seen you post
- Oct 24, 2023
BLACK ☭Oct 24, 2023·2 repliesmembersince23Calling rap/hip-hop the greatest art form probably the worst thing I've seen you post
thats not a hot take. s*** is in every part of the world and has the most influence that any genre of music
- Oct 24, 2023BLACK
thats not a hot take. s*** is in every part of the world and has the most influence that any genre of music
Dude thought he had one with that lol
Oct 24, 2023eye contactart comes from direction, intention, and expression, not from simply doing s***
art comes from vision and feeling
- Oct 24, 2023eye contact
art comes from direction, intention, and expression, not from simply doing s***
Eh I gotta disagree slightly. There have been a lot of highly regarded pieces of art that happened on accident cause the person was just f***ing around.
I know some of the best s*** I made was cause I sat there and just tried some s*** not knowing what would happen and it turned out better than I could have ever imagined
- Oct 24, 2023
Oh great, another rapper threatening to retire after their next project. I wish people would stop using this gimmick for goodness sake.
Not to mention, Lil Uzi Vert is still young as f*** in the grand scheme of things. This nigga ain't going nowhere lol