RTH

9mo

LL's music didn't age well

Caun

9mo

Hip hop 50 lame asf

IvanOoze

9mo

Never liked him when I was younger. Got older and found out what he did and made sense like I peep the energy without having to be face to face. Man's is a snake and was willing to f*** up other careers so he could be the "king of New York"

Ed_lover

9mo

What is the actual root of their tension?

I hear it was over Jay becoming president of Def Jam and failing to push his album. If that’s true, it wouldn’t surprise me. Plenty of people from the likes of DMX and Ghostface expressed their frustrations at Jay for somewhat sabotaging their releases. And then you factor in the eventual release of Kingdom Come, which reportedly left the company in a whole as it failed to meet sales projections and its hefty marketing budget.

I also heard LL say it may be over a rap battle back in the day where Jay felt he didn’t acknowledge him.

Idk.

2words

9mo

Doesn’t make sense imo or negate that it can apply to more than one

When he says “if I can get up here then you definitely can” it feels like he’s talking to someone younger than himself not whodini but idk

Also that Twitter handle is from a jay song so I’m thinking it’s a Roc nation sleeper agent trying to kill the idea before it gets going

RTH

9mo

LL's music didn't age well

Smacked Voodoo

9mo

Nah I actually f*** with LL heavy for that. Jay Z should've been one of the biggest rappers to be apart of all the 50th anniversary of hip-hop celebrations and shows. There were a ton throughout NYC all during the summer and Jay Z ain't pop out at a single one. If he did it was just for some photo-ops and showing face. Never to perform or anything.

But again, he's another one of these rap niggas who got time to perform at a f***in runway fashion show out in Europe for a bunch of cacs who don't know s*** about the culture.

My HOPE is that Jay Z was behind the scenes funding the shows or the Rock the Bells F.O.R.C.E tour that LL and Questlove put together. If he did I'll look the other way.

youngtubesteak2

9mo

I said this and got killed for it

John Madden

9mo

but yours did?

Mac Wit Da Cheese

9mo

Kingdom Come is Jay Z highest first week sales of his career and was this biggest first week sales of that year tho

Ed_lover

9mo

Yeah, you’re right. But the album itself didn’t achieve longevity or critical success.

Show me what you've got. was the first single and understandably reached #8 on the Hot 100, being that it was his comeback. The song itself isn’t revered by fans, and I’ve never seen Jay perform that song live.

The second single, "Lost One”, performed worse than the first single and peaked at #58. Once again, a record that Jay rarely plays live and is only remembered for his subliminals at dame.

The third single was Hollywood, which many claim to be Jay’s worst song in his entire discography and didn’t chart at all. It is definitely something that has been swept under the rug.

I personally think Kingdom Come as an album is good and represents his corporate transition emphatically. It’s just that, from an objective point of view, the culture doesn’t like the album, and I even think he’s said it himself.

Smacked Voodoo

9mo

Nah I actually f*** with LL heavy for that. Jay Z should've been one of the biggest rappers to be apart of all the 50th anniversary of hip-hop celebrations and shows. There were a ton throughout NYC all during the summer and Jay Z ain't pop out at a single one. If he did it was just for some photo-ops and showing face. Never to perform or anything.

But again, he's another one of these rap niggas who got time to perform at a f***in runway fashion show out in Europe for a bunch of cacs who don't know s*** about the culture.

My HOPE is that Jay Z was behind the scenes funding the shows or the Rock the Bells F.O.R.C.E tour that LL and Questlove put together. If he did I'll look the other way.

AvenueJones

9mo

I love Hov and I agree with you to an extent but y’all gotta stop acting like he was just performing in Paris for no reason and not because of Pharrell taking over LV. But yeah if I’m being honest I feel like they should’ve been more done for hip hop’s 50th throughout the year. Not just in the last month. As far as festival and performances wise

Smacked Voodoo

9mo

Oh nah I know why he was at the LV show lol I can't act like I didn't enjoy seeing him performing Frontin but it's just like damn man...how you so important to east coast hip-hop and don't even be apart of any of the shows in the city during the summer for the 50th anniversary? It just don't sit right with me.