Mozart

2y

I'll just say that some of you guys are making a mistake falling on the if I support Palestine then I have to support Hamas sword. That's a bad hill to die on. Every movement will have several different factions and we can debate their effectiveness but we don't have always be "pick sides" as if life is binary.

I think the truth is, this is mostly the United States fault. We should have forced a Palestinian State a long time ago but we kinda Israel off the hook and let "Zionist" propaganda stop us from it. No there isn't a secret society of Jews running the world. But as we have seen now we let the situation reach the point where Palestinian are seen as subhuman and Hamas kidnapping random civilians is seen as necessary.

Sir Real

2y

Israel has thousands of Palestinian hostages (from before the war) who they are able to hold indefinitely without charges through their “administrative detention” policy

The Al Aqsa Flood Operation took back a mere fraction of what the Zionist Entity has taken from the Palestinians

Sir Real

2y

Israel has thousands of Palestinian hostages (from before the war) who they are able to hold indefinitely without charges through their “administrative detention” policy

The Al Aqsa Flood Operation took back a mere fraction of what the Zionist Entity has taken from the Palestinians

Mozart

2y

Yeah, I'm not disagreeing. We allowed Israel too much grace to do whatever they wanted.

I don't think anyone disputes that they have kidnapped and killed way more civilians than Hamas as well as taken land that didn't belong to them

Mozart

2y

I'll just say that some of you guys are making a mistake falling on the if I support Palestine then I have to support Hamas sword. That's a bad hill to die on. Every movement will have several different factions and we can debate their effectiveness but we don't have always be "pick sides" as if life is binary.

I think the truth is, this is mostly the United States fault. We should have forced a Palestinian State a long time ago but we kinda Israel off the hook and let "Zionist" propaganda stop us from it. No there isn't a secret society of Jews running the world. But as we have seen now we let the situation reach the point where Palestinian are seen as subhuman and Hamas kidnapping random civilians is seen as necessary.

thisisthedrought3

2y

Hmmm maybe trying to come to a negotiation table with one of the worlds most well funded miltary powers by first killing 1000+ of their citizens (many of them innocent people) and taking hundreds of hostages on the way. They know the regime they’re up against has very little tolerance for their governance as it stood even before they attacked Israel . It was a very bad idea for Hamas to try and achieve more freedoms for Gaza by murdering and taking hostage the citizens of their oppressor at a point where their regime is perhaps at its most unwilling to do so and then being unprepared for the inevitable response when push comes to shove and they refuse to release hostages. Hamas has provided zero protection for the people of the Gaza Strip. They’ve built tunnels for themselves as protection but leave the civilians out to be blown up and in harms way. They take the food delivered with the intention of being freely given to refugees of the Gaza war and sell it for profit to support their regimes dying breaths. It’s idiocy, terrible strategy both in negotiations and militarily, and has brought so much negativity to Gaza and the Palestinian people.

Obviously I don’t know what Lupe’s views are but because he may disagree with you on support of Hamas for Palestinian resistance doesn’t make him a Zionist

Sir Real

2y

Okay then quit with the hand wringing bullshit about how they’re not resisting in a way that appeals to your liberal sensibilities

Mozart

2y

See this is what I'm talking about. It's not about appealing to sensibilities.

It's about effectiveness. Is Hamas actually leading to the solution they want or are they not.

If you say the answer is yes. Then by all means continue. But I'm not gonna pretend like I'm so sure. I lean towards the opposite.

Uncle Jack

2y

A lot of things are confusing gotta scrutinize everything.

You see Christians that didn't believe in the Trinity were heavily prosecuted by the Romans and Byzantines and many took refuge to Persia because the Sassanids were tolerant of other religions except Manichaeans because it was the newest one that threatened the Zoroastrian priests the most and that's why they killed prophet Mani. Mani had denied the trinity and called himself an apostle of Jesus and the seal of the prophets. After his death his followers grew in number. Later on they teamed up with the Christians that denied the trinity and started their own religion. They had one thing in mind expanding their religion so they wrote a badly written shortened version of the bible and recruited the pagan Arabs. They eventually took control of the empire with the help of Muawiya. Muawiya in greek inscription of Hammat Gader is not mentioned as a caliph of islam but is praised as the servant of god that is a term used by orthodox christians - he was a Christian Sassanid commander that's why his coins have Sassanid king busts on them. He was a traitor that sided with Arabs and after him the Arab Abd al Malik Ibn Marwan became the first official Caliph. The Persian d*** riders later on fabricated hadiths and the whole Rashidun "history" to give their new Arab rulers an identity that they lacked.

Mozart

2y

See this is what I'm talking about. It's not about appealing to sensibilities.

It's about effectiveness. Is Hamas actually leading to the solution they want or are they not.

If you say the answer is yes. Then by all means continue. But I'm not gonna pretend like I'm so sure. I lean towards the opposite.

Sir Real

2y

Okay then quit with the hand wringing bullshit about how they’re not resisting in a way that appeals to your liberal sensibilities

OHMNI

2y

They are slowing down a genocide

Mozart

2y

Are they though? Because it looks like they sped it up.

How did it slow down?

GoldLink

2y

You cant be for a free Palestine if you don’t support its resistance. The minute you question how someone fights back against their oppressor you might as well be a liberal, and we all know how much they all support causes as long as they are perfect victims

Peter E

2y

Lol how u anti-semitic AND don't support palestine

Mozart

2y

See this is what I'm talking about. It's not about appealing to sensibilities.

It's about effectiveness. Is Hamas actually leading to the solution they want or are they not.

If you say the answer is yes. Then by all means continue. But I'm not gonna pretend like I'm so sure. I lean towards the opposite.