Superman doesn't wanna let people die and he wants to help and I'll have to rewatch but is it ever established he doesn't wanna kill?.

If we saw his parents raise him with those values of helping people like in traditional media it woulda been more established but that's he issue with portraying a grayer Superman is the pay off of him killing someone doesn't work in the narrative of the film imo.

Again tho it's been awhile since I watched

"spiderman is a billionaires b****".... I already know what type of poster you are

Holland’s Spider-Man literally is that tho lol. The villains in his movies are usually just working class people who have been screwed over by Stark lol.

Well he is raised to value human life through his parents. I wouldn’t necessarily say he’s portrayed to be a grayer Superman. The movies themes of heroism are portrayed to be grayer but he as a character is not gray. He’s always been portrayed as someone of empathy and who wants to save others.

This is such a weird way to look at it but I won't argue with it cause this ain't the thread for that.

Disclaimer
Haven't seen the film in awhile

In the film infact his parents often push self preservation counter too Clarks natural instincts even if it's Jonathan or strangers kids it's "secret over human life". That's the whole idea behind his Dad dying(and why it didn't work for people) is Jonathan would rather die then Clark expose himself.

His parents don't care about other people they care about Clark which is fine that's the character Snyder went for but it comes with cons too.

Too focus back on my original point Superman in the film is portrayed as wanting to help people but we never see his with Kryptonians. He's never given the chance too and there isn't any real characterization to show what his limits are in terms of what he'll do to save people.

We the audience are never given the idea he won't kill for earth and Kryptonians and him don't interact enough for the "He kills one of his own" idea to really sell.

Infact his first battle is them hurting his Mom and he crashes and fights them not knowing if he can kill them or not and doesn't ever try to stop damage caused by his fights in Smallville or Metropolis.

Which is why I think the neck snap never sold well for audiences. The lead up wasn't there narratively we know Clark is conflicted but it's very surface level all we know is he wants to do good but we're never given the idea he won't kill from what I remember

I'm fully open to being wrong again I haven't seen it in awhile.

I think you're wrong about his parents not caring about other people. In fact the fact his father was willing to die over his secret proves he values human life. They knew that if people find out about his power that it would spell doom for the entire planet in terms of trying to politicize and weaponize him. Again, Zod only goes to Earth because he intercepts a call from them trying to find Superman since he is now known to exist there. Had Superman not become Superman, Zods people never would've come and had millions die in the process.

I mean you don't need to be explicitly told that he won't kill. Its pretty obvious from his actions that he doesn't wish to kill others. It is also telling that he consistently wishes for Zod's people to stand down rather than actively trying to kill them. Imo, exposition is heavily overrated because you can get these ideas of Superman's empathy just by watching how he acts around others in the film. The bus accident is a big moment in terms of that when he decides to go against his parents wishes and put his secret at risk to save others. I think MOS presents humanity's response to the Superman in a more realistic and cynical manner but it never presents Superman to be anything less than idealistic and good.

Facts. It's just poorly written (and using examples from other movies is honestly irrelevant to the conversation).

Nothing in the movie felt earned. Superman goes from putting on the cape for the first time to (almost immediately) facing the big bad guy a final time. Where are the heroic-character building moments? Where are the scenes of him actively saving people? "Nah f*** that, time to wreck a whole metropolis babyyy"

Also, the way they had him kill zod was stupid as hell. Bro snapped his neck with a sonic boom but couldnt subdue him or divert his gaze lmao

way too soon for a reboot

last batch of superhero movies have been well casted to say the least

no need for sudden revamps and redo’s

this is gonna feel like the superman version of Fan4stic watch

I think you're wrong about his parents not caring about other people. In fact the fact his father was willing to die over his secret proves he values human life
Him willing to doe over his alien sons secret proves he cares about human life?. Feels like you're purposely ignoring my point because I literally said at the start "they only care about him so you saying this only adds to my point. They didn't care about anyone but Clark and we're willing to doe for his secret and allow themselves and others too as well for it.

They knew that if people find out about his power that it would spell doom for the entire planet in terms of trying to politicize and weaponize him. Again, Zod only goes to Earth because he intercepts a call from them trying to find Superman since he is now known to exist there. Had Superman not become Superman, Zods people never would've come and had millions die in the process.

You seem to be misremembering plot points or I am but Wasn't the reason they came for them cause Clark activated the fortress and it sent a beacon?. So it wasn't anyone trying to find Superman on earth that alerted them infact superman doesn't exist at that point in the film no one knows about him but Loiswhose tracking him.

So actually this is another strike against the Kent's because their way of raising him made him insecure enough to go searching in the first place. Had he been raised with confidence and morals to help others he woulda had an identity of his own.

I mean you don't need to be explicitly told that he won't kill. Its pretty obvious from his actions that he doesn't wish to kill others.
It isn't tho we never see him draw a line in the sand in the film from what I recall. You're insisting on a narrative that isn't in the film from knowledge and don't seem to remember it well either.

It is also telling that he consistently wishes for Zod's people to stand down rather than actively trying to kill them

But he rams right into one and hurls her into a factory no problem before even asking. Clark fights them before even knowing what they can take and can't immediately in Smallville. He never establishes that he knows what he's doing won't kill them.

Again you're inviting reading that just isn't in the film itself.

Imo, exposition is heavily overrated
Ngl bro your arguments so far have been great reasons for why a film needs exposition. Some of this stuff your saying directly contradicts the actions of the characters in the film itself otherwise people will apply their own opinions that really clash with what's on screen.

because you can get these ideas of Superman's empathy just by watching how he acts around others in the film.
I'm not saying he doesn't have empathy but people with empathy kill people dawg. Often times people kill others for protecting someone weaker.

That's my argument here which is that Superman is shown to have empathy but only for humans.

Your argument that the end neck snap is powerful cause he's killing one of his own again doesn't work cause Superman isn't shown having empathy for Kryptonians he shows mostly anger and violence to them and has zero hesitation in it.

The bus accident is a big moment in terms of that when he decides to go against his parents wishes and put his secret at risk to save others.

Not denying this but that point doesn't add to your idea of him caring for Kryptonians and it's a mark against your points on the Kent's being people who care about others

They were willing to let a bus full of school children die for Clark secret.

I think MOS presents humanity's response to the Superman in a more realistic and cynical manner but it never presents Superman to be anything less than idealistic and good.

This is fine I disagree on Superman being idealistic and good tho infact the films entire theme and the sequels seem to be based in the opposite.

Not really a reboot it's just a story dealing with another Superman. This isn't Fantastic Four it's more Joker 2019.

An alternate universe story outside of the main series and considering how big Joker was this could work.

Novelists itt

For Superman I'm Stephen King

Can't wait to read your Superman comic

April 1st 2022

20th century

the conspiracy theorists r gonna love this one

"But insiders say Warners and DC are committed to hiring a Black director to tackle what will be the first cinematic incarnation of Superman featuring a Black actor, with one source adding that putting Abrams at the helm would be “tone-deaf.”

"Coates isn’t expected to deliver his Superman script until midDecember. Likewise, Marvel isn’t rushing with Blade, whose start date was pushed from this September to July 2022, so that the studio can spend time working on the Stacy Osei-Kuffour-penned script."

"The Superman film appears to be moving onto its own track and won’t be part of the universe, as of now. Sources tell THR that Coates is crafting a Kal-El in the vein of the original Superman comics and will have the protagonist hail from Krypton and come to Earth. While the story is currently being crafted and many details could change, one option under consideration is for the film to be a 20th century period piece."

Still don’t like this

There are two prominent black Supermen RIGHT THERE and they’re like “nah, it’s gonna be Kal El”

The 20th Century thing gives me a sigh of relief

If the filmmaking is there idc, so I hope they grab a good director

"In a fitting twist, the director search is pitting DC against none other than Marvel. As Warners looks to fill its Superman vacancy, Marvel is on the hunt for a Blade helmer and is combing through the same list. But the question will come down to what kind of filmmaker Bad Robot and Warners want: an up-and-comer who can be backed by Abrams, who knows his way around tentpoles and franchises? Or an established filmmaker like a Barry Jenkins or a Ryan Coogler?"

WB garbage

This guy

WB has no control on when THR wants to post their article