Cherrywine001

1d

This is effectively a soft reboot of MCU Spider-Man. Perfect starting point for people who didn’t like the first trilogy. First trilogy just sucks bad. It’s okay if you guys like it, but the whole “t-the other ones were good too! You guys are downers!” S*** is lame. Being critical is not hating. We should all work to stop accepting weak s***

shaleirose

1d

No response so you calling for backup smh

SpiderMan

1d

I liked how it looked for most part except NWH where COVID f***ed s*** up.

Some suit CGI wasn't good but not enough to ruin it completely for me. I'm not gonna let few scenes of wonky CGI ruin entire movies for me but I'm not that picky over CGI in general so ymmv.
I actually loved both HC and FFH suits, and used them the most in the Insomniac games. Did not like the NWH suit with the gold s***. I specially loved how much the HC suit looked like the initial TASM run suit.

I personally think lack of swinging scenes made sense to me cause he simply didn't get an opportunity in these movies, in HC he didn't even know how to swing properly, in FFH he wasn't even in NY city for the most part and the ending scene was fine, in NWH the movie was so packed with the multiverse stuff that having a swinging scene of Peter roaming the city wouldn't have made sense.
I think they will fix it in the trilogy where he's finally an experienced Spidey handling s*** on his own.

The new movies actually captured the essence of the character the most out of any live-action iterations and struck balance finally. Specially HC and NWH have the most Spidey-esque moments, I would say FFH has some issues in this regard but I still like how we got a unique Spidey adventure in a new place.
Like the whole arc: Iron Man taking the suit away - him fighting Vulture on his own, who turns out to be his crush's dad and he's forced to leave his crush at prom night to fulfill his duty - proving himself to Tony and declining the Avengers -- is perfect. This is why HC is my top 2 Spidey movie.
I don't like NWH pacing at some parts but I rewatched it last year at the theater and had way more fun than I was expecting. Him choosing to save the villains, then sacrificing his whole identity, losing his aunt and losing his relationship was again classic Spidey and probably the most loss any live-action Spidey has faced. It is fan-servicey but it was great as a celebration of the character and was a setting stone for the new trilogy.

I think a lot of people's idea of Spider-Man comes from the Raimi movies alone that's why they hate these versions so much. I actually like all the versions and appreciate them for something atleast. They have all been flawed but none to the point of actually pissing me off like some people here act over the MCU ones.
I especially hate the Marvel crossover complaints, if you've read any comics you'll see how common it is for Spider-Man to have crossovers in his stories with either like Johnny, some random X-Men or even an Avenger.

HaroldsChicken

1d

Because it’s redundant . When cherry wine tells you same sentiment you say “ fair “ when you are just trying to argue and not even remotely listen I don’t want to waste keystrokes

HaroldsChicken

1d

He never said star photographer he said big career outside of spider man . You’ve made it Star photographer so you can argue which is why I @​ed brave

shaleirose

1d

I think a lot of people's idea of Spider-Man comes from the Raimi movies alone that's why they hate these versions so much. I actually like all the versions and appreciate them for something atleast. They have all been flawed but none to the point of actually pissing me off like some people here act over the MCU ones.
I especially hate the Marvel crossover complaints, if you've read any comics you'll see how common it is for Spider-Man to have crossovers in his stories with either like Johnny, some random X-Men or even an Avenger.

You hit it perfectly here. I think a lot of the complaints about the first trilogy not being "Spidey" enough are coming from people who didn't read many comics and instead had their frame of reference for what Spider-Man should be formed by the Raimi trilogy

shaleirose

1d

Star photographer, famous photographer... same idea, different word

HaroldsChicken

1d

He never said either his point was career focus . His JOB. WHAT HES KNOWN FIR

BRAVE

2d

Peter’s career status always took on extremes in the comics post-status quo: stay poor and a nobody (unbelievable) or be Reed Richards/Tony Stark (also unbelievable). He should be a star photographer which would tie into his marriage with MJ as a model

It’s peanut butter and jelly idk how a major Marvel writer hasn’t established this. Peter’s big career outside of Spider-Man should obviously involve his photography

HaroldsChicken

1d

Many people frame of reference is the 90s cartoon and comics . While recognizing there are many things that are comic accurate but a 50-60 year old comic isn’t the best to draw from at all times when adapting for modern times . Some comic fans say “ it’s comic accurate “ and it’s from a 60 year old comic . Not everything works that way . The 90s cartoon , the games , the modern comics don’t just say “ well it’s accurate to the comic so we get to jerk off those fans “ . They focus on the character

• this Peter is just now poor after high school
• had mj fall in love with him with no real dates or romantic development
• revealed his secret identity at the end of each movie in some way
• blindly believed in male figures
• uncle Ben barely mentioned or acknowledged in all 3 movies because “ it’s been done before “ but it’s a central part of his origin
• no job so instead the movies jump from plot point to plot point with light high school because he doesn’t have a double life to live to the same degree

There are plenty of things that don’t feel like spider man about this trilogy but you clap like a seal because “ that mcu reference it’s like the comic when he lifts that”

When people are telling you that some of the soul of spider man as a character is missing . You think the billion dollars they pull each movie are all deep comic readers or is it kids who’ve played the games and watched the tv shows ?

shaleirose

1d

this Peter is just now poor after high school

Not sure what you mean by this

had mj fall in love with him with no real dates or romantic development

This is a writing issue, has nothing to do with if it was a faithful adaptation or not

revealed his secret identity at the end of each movie in some way
blindly believed in male figures

The only non-hero character you could say he revealed his identity to is MJ. Aunt May walked in on him and Ned was in the room when he wasn't supposed to be. Regardless, this is reversed at the end of NWH so nobody knows again.

uncle Ben barely mentioned or acknowledged in all 3 movies because “ it’s been done before “ but it’s a central part of his origin

They basically gave Uncle Ben's role in Spider-Man's origin to Aunt May. Serves the same purpose and function, not much of an issue.

no job so instead the movies jump from plot point to plot point with light high school because he doesn’t have a double life to live to the same degree

Well, yeah, he's in high-school. Peter normally doesn't balance work/school/Spidey stuff until he's in college

HaroldsChicken

23h

All of what I list are writing decisions . If you say we didn’t need an origin story again why does it feel like an origin trilogy with 3 movies in high school . Dumb writing decisions ( including him disappearing in infinity war )

HaroldsChicken

23h

Aunt May and Tony stark death made him more into spider man than uncle Ben . Also by this point he has had 3 movies and 3 central deaths of characters

shaleirose

23h

We didn't need the traditional Spider-Man origin story. The one that we've seen a billion times. They put their own spin on it and remixed it a ton to the point where it still feels like an origin story by the end of the trilogy, but it doesn't feel too much like familiar beats

shaleirose

23h

So if the plot point at its basic level serve the same purpose and function, why does it bother you so much that we didn't get an Uncle Ben?

HaroldsChicken

23h

This whole trilogy was still a drawn out origin of him being a dumbass when I agree we didn’t need an origin yet they still showed so much of beginning some we didn’t need

HaroldsChicken

23h

It’s worse that Ben died , May died and Tony died 3 back to back movies and he didn’t learn til 3rd death . You can brag about reading every comic in the world yet which movie of these stands best for you homecoming ?