No one put a gun to their head to make a linear short set piece game 300 million dollars . They choose to do so . I’ve said this before and will say so again . Superhero and movie tie in games used to take risk and actually be on the forefront of the FUTURE of games . At least one hook . Less formulaic . Hulk ultimate destruction , matrix game , wolverine origins .

We know the budget high because the focus is just make a lot of money . Which spider man games have and this will . Many aren’t asking for an art house Wolverine game . It’s really have any hook at all that really makes you want to play it besides leaning on the ip and being the only dev that can even do a Wolverine game

If many game companies had opportunities to do hero games or use licenses we would see creativity and companies pushing themselves which we used to a larger degree. When it’s limited on who can or one game company keeps pumping out hero games . It’s okay for people to say it’s going through the motions on a 70$ game in a recession . They can handle the constructive criticism and even PlayStation fanboys are saying the same sentiments . I listened to the entire hour of kinda funny games and reading many previews

You don’t have to rush to defend the honor of the game company or the game made for 309 million that will sell like hot cakes .

Especially when I say it won’t be bad . To as i said it’s crazy to send Wolverine to previews but a month before launch have 11 minutes of phantom blade last week then 20 minutes this week totaling 31 minutes and likely an exclusive demo

The difference between you and I is that I am genuinely discussing it mechanically and from a design angle from what we’ve seen . I’m not hating . I’m not even saying it’s the end of the world but you rush to defense . I’ve said elements of it look solid but after 5 years wait and radio silence after the leaks some parts of it are a bummer . I bought spider man 2 day 1 in person and still have the physical copy ( gave it to a good friend ) .

I have every right to speak about the game . You can’t police what people say or act like I’m saying it’s trash cancel the game .

The combat lacks in souls games at times to me but the design of the bosses and worlds is kind of undeniable and people find unique ways to win in the combat . The design of an Elden ring id entirely different from this .

Final fantasy xvi is the game I like most similar to god of war series or this . But as I’ve been mentioning all have their twist on a combat formula that for many is growing old . Some are hyper critical of the formula itself because it’s many many games and again has been since the Arkham games , god of war , creed in some ways and many other series .

Internet going to internet . Obviously don’t expect devs to show the greatest boss fight of all time in the previews . There are a lot of games coming in the next few months some people will hate because of what they can afford or play or just for fun

Doesn’t change many of us are having a good faith discussion and investing time to do so

They kind of choose parts of the game that opened themselves to hyper criticism. Yes on rails parts and set piece parts exist in all games. But the ones they are showing they knew they are going to get criticism

Previews dropping and showing a part following someone with a trail that looks like very on rails or lack of a fail state or its almost difficult to fail. Is of course going to draw the ire of gamers. Many gamers that dont like games like that just show up. S*** many that dont play insomniac games or even playstation first party games like that unless its ghost or spider man which even if you get annoyed by design descisions are still open world

As soon as this was a world without the x men this game was going to get a bit more fire to it because people really love x men at least existing or being able to appear in wolverine games even if not playable.

KTT one of the few places where I who have a Bachelors degree in game design can actually discuss game mechanics and even know people working on this game can come discuss the game mechanics / how a game is showing. Yet someone gets offended and defensive. When I have been discussing games on the internet for literally 25 years since aol dial up.

all of the hate for this game is simply because of the no disc thing which has nothing to do with this game at all

and the fact that twitter switched up on sm2 for no reason

"all of the hate for this game is simply because of the no disc thing"

no its not. I dont think its healthy to try to say people are switching up for no reason. Its only because of the no disc thing. When this game has a disc. Many of us have criticized Spider Man 2 since launch. I bought it day 1 on disc and enjoyed spider man 1 . Spider Man 1 was the first game I beat on my PS5. Trying to reduce what people are saying to something else isnt what it is.

People again as I have been saying are getting a bit fatigued by some of the same thing done in narrative games. It works for other doesnt for many. Its going to sell well regardless.

People have criticized the art style before we even knew about the disc . People criticized the original gameplay slice even before the no disc element of ps5 you can see that in the comments of the original gameplay or the original e3 state of play.

Again apart of it is no x men, its not a open world game which is why many forgive some of the faults of spider man series because the open world still dope to traverse around and there is plenty of side content. When you slice that off its an uphill battle.

Control resonant going at least 9/10

Maybe stop developing games with bloated budgets… nobody asked them to do that

Lifelong video game fan here, I’ve always found these “forward on the stick to win” cinematic sections to be unimpressive filler. People who are genuinely impressed by this in 2026 are low IQ

Yup, rollslop is lame too

I wouldn’t say that’s the source of all the hate but it’s definitely a factor

What control resonant has me nervous for in combat and ui I am getting used to. looks absolutely great in design. Has previewed well as well. Has a distinct art style and Remedy writing has pushed them / taking risk on each and every game they have dropped this generation.

Onimusha cant speak for. Would I personally go one by one and compare each one of those games to this no. Not everything is comparable .

Control design wise has more freedom to do weird s*** than this does and thats okay.

a Remedy game getting 6s in 2026? are you insane. Have you seen the previews? Do you know what you are talking about

a factor but in general the rose tinted glasses of forgiving sony for everything is what really broke. It was easier when it was microsoft f***ing up f***ing up f***ing up so at end of the day it was lesser of evils. But Sony did something that made soem be able to be honest about both in general. Because this isnt the first game nor will it be the last where the narrative driven style is too on rails or limiting for some. Also on twitter its what gets engagement ( they are about to make it harder to get paid off it). But for a period of time people have called out the formula of some first party sony games what does or doesnt work for them personally this isnt profoundly new from last of us to god of war to spider man but at same time when we look at what sells most cant be surprised there are a bit less returnals or saros. I still do miss having studio Japan to make other weird s*** . They still do have things like death stranding 2.

Which is exactly what many of us are saying. Bloated budgets often leads to extremely safe content. we understand the why. While at the same time a mature Wolverine game in itself is going to make less sales than a spider man game. So you have to find your hook to balance out who you are selling to. You made a decision to not have the x men exist. Which I feel like would have been better to tell people more than 3 months before the game releases after announcing it 5 years ago but to each their own. We knew it wasnt open world. Radio silence after the leaks and not really showing too much til this e3 had peoples expectations and ideas all over the place about what this game would be . Would it be dismemberment would it take inspiration from previous wolverine games. Would it be giant boss fights. Would other mutants be playable. who the f*** knew until June. Then June comes and what people see didnt blow many of them away. They said "looks about how I expected from insomniac will buy 8/10" then previews drop and they say same thing

so how is what we are saying bad in anyway shape or form

In general in this economy if you are a single player game with no other modes people are going to want to see that you are doing something new, innovative, out there. Choice mechanics , RPG mechanics, crazy mocap, graphical fidelity , art style . The reason this game is getting flack is because there is no hook there is no gimmick. People have played Wolverine games before. They have played great ones and this specific one isnt really introducing anything they havent seen and its missing some of the key things they loved when they did play old wolverine games. So its going to get criticism

there are parts of a 17 year old game that look more enticing than this game to people . So yes logically its going to get criticism.

All of which I have said by the way. That game companies used to push different design elements like environmental destruction, environmental fighting, dismemberment, various enemy types shown.

17 years later some of the development for some is ironically non movie games trying to be more movie games than our movie games of the past by stringing together cut scene portion then walk then on rails segments which will work for some and not others and thats okay.

That’s what it costs

Nothing wrong with a visual eye candy scene but to pretend the entire game is that is just rage baiting and lame

Another insomniac classic on the way

the game isnt that visually appealing is part of the issue too. The balance between walking through parts used to feel a bit more understandably paced. Again cant speak on pacing within the game but choosing to show the players a certain amount of on rails sections will throw them off inevitably

THEY ARE CHOOSING WHAT PARTS OF THE GAME TO SHOW. They are showing parts of the game that dont show as well. Which are limited walking portions and a boss fight they 100% shouldnt have showed

a lot of these game budgets are bloated......

the reason many of these game companies are shutting down. Dealing with so many issues is because of the bloated budgets. The bloated budgets and the triple A industry at times isnt leading to better games, more innovation, even new engines. Its just producing what they know people will buy. You cant just say "thats just waht it cost" when again games of the past used to on much smaller budget and specs take infinitely more risk which is how gaming as a medium has advanced at such a lightning pace to now in many ways for some stagnate on AAA games from select developers because they know what works.

Cracks me up dude who doesn’t even own a ps5 and tells me Wolverine is overrated is the one pretending to care about this so much man. Some of you just live to complain. Like go talk about games you enjoy then why spend your time b****ing. It’s not that hard to figure out why a Marvel game meant to be sold to casuals and hopefully sell millions of copies isn’t taking wild risks or weird ass choices.

Naughty dog did and ask them how it’s been going for them with fans since then lol. If they take a swing you don’t like you’ll just b**** even more

I didnt once say Wolverine is overrated. How can a game not out be overrated . When I have for the millionth time even though I know you lack the ability to read and comprehension have said I think it will score 8 to 8.5. How is it b****ing to discuss a game mechanics and what they are choosing to show of a game in the games rollout.

I never said I wonder why it doesnt take more risk. I said there is no hook of any major kind.

"Naughty dog did and hows it been going for them since". they cancelled Factions the multiplayer game they promised 6 years ago that was going to come with the last of us 2 for free then became its own game mode . After it became fully playable and was far along and laid people off.

No one choose for Naughty Dog to have that big of a budget game with crunch and all its other controversies nor is that what we are asking for here

people will criticize a safe formula and how a game shows. Again even Greg of kind of funny cricized it. I have typed full body paragraphs and essays on these past few pages . Your ass doesnt even read it all your pea brain can get from it is "wolverine is overrated" which isnt even what I said.