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  • Mar 4, 2023
  • Mar 4, 2023
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    is this the bitcoin guy

  • hopefully he actually keeps the crime rate lowered.

  • krishna bound

    is this the bitcoin guy

  • Mar 5, 2023

    Zelenski Mask the Frump God be like "he stole my dressing down bit!"

  • guy is a good speaker

    i enjoyed listening to that

  • Mar 5, 2023
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    yeah it makes sense

    but comparing gang members to nazis seems risky, no? I mean nazis are so bad that pretty much anything done against a nazi feels justified. If we found out that some nazi official got skinned alive, would we feel bad for him? probably not.

    Now imagine the government is basically telling you that these people, gang members, are a***ogous to nazis. You can probably then infer where I'm taking this.

    Am I saying that El Salvador will be skinning its own citizens alive? No. But I am saying that "tough on crime" policies that dehumanize criminals often lead to more harm than good, usually only ensuring that crime rates increase

  • Mar 5, 2023
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    slimreapercantrap

    yeah it makes sense

    but comparing gang members to nazis seems risky, no? I mean nazis are so bad that pretty much anything done against a nazi feels justified. If we found out that some nazi official got skinned alive, would we feel bad for him? probably not.

    Now imagine the government is basically telling you that these people, gang members, are a***ogous to nazis. You can probably then infer where I'm taking this.

    Am I saying that El Salvador will be skinning its own citizens alive? No. But I am saying that "tough on crime" policies that dehumanize criminals often lead to more harm than good, usually only ensuring that crime rates increase

    I mean, calling enemy groups nazis and fascists has been a time-honored tradition since even before WWII and certainly in the eight decades since. i don't think that in and of itself presages any sort of particularly heinous action.

    nor, tbh, do i think, given what they have done in el salvador in recent decades, that MS-13 really needed to be a***ogized to Nazis for there to be popular support for a particularly harsh crackdown on them, given the violence and dehumanization that they have systematically engaged in against the citizenry of el salvador.

    in any case, he had a fairly specific a***ogy to draw regarding the proscription of MS-13 symbolism and of NSDAP symbols during the denazification period. it translates as "gang members" but he's not just talking about generic 'street thugs'. there is a specific tendency/organization, with a name, tens of thousands of members, and particular + recognizable symbols which these members flaunt openly and proudly. this organization and its symbolism are so "interwoven" in Salvadorian society that he thinks such symbolism must be erased from public life, even from place of pride on one's tombstone, to ensure that the organization's ideology cannot propagate itself.

    Certainly there are times where the symbols and insignias of treasonous/criminal organizations are not so strictly extinguished from public life, such as the Confederate Battle Flag in the South after Reconstruction. One can debate the moral or spiritual merits of such hardline actions. But I don't think that it's axiomatic that hardline policies against a particular organization will fail and lead to crime getting even worse (which would, frankly, be hard in El Salvador); given the state of play after decades of MS-13 violence essentially committed with impunity, I don't begrudge his government for taking a hard line against them

  • Mar 5, 2023
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    gabapentin

    I mean, calling enemy groups nazis and fascists has been a time-honored tradition since even before WWII and certainly in the eight decades since. i don't think that in and of itself presages any sort of particularly heinous action.

    nor, tbh, do i think, given what they have done in el salvador in recent decades, that MS-13 really needed to be a***ogized to Nazis for there to be popular support for a particularly harsh crackdown on them, given the violence and dehumanization that they have systematically engaged in against the citizenry of el salvador.

    in any case, he had a fairly specific a***ogy to draw regarding the proscription of MS-13 symbolism and of NSDAP symbols during the denazification period. it translates as "gang members" but he's not just talking about generic 'street thugs'. there is a specific tendency/organization, with a name, tens of thousands of members, and particular + recognizable symbols which these members flaunt openly and proudly. this organization and its symbolism are so "interwoven" in Salvadorian society that he thinks such symbolism must be erased from public life, even from place of pride on one's tombstone, to ensure that the organization's ideology cannot propagate itself.

    Certainly there are times where the symbols and insignias of treasonous/criminal organizations are not so strictly extinguished from public life, such as the Confederate Battle Flag in the South after Reconstruction. One can debate the moral or spiritual merits of such hardline actions. But I don't think that it's axiomatic that hardline policies against a particular organization will fail and lead to crime getting even worse (which would, frankly, be hard in El Salvador); given the state of play after decades of MS-13 violence essentially committed with impunity, I don't begrudge his government for taking a hard line against them

    hearddd

    i guess my main concern is that, s***, it's easy for a government to go too far when it comes to dehumanizing ppl.

    what this guy's doing though doesn't seem like a bad move

  • Mar 7, 2023
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    slimreapercantrap

    hearddd

    i guess my main concern is that, s***, it's easy for a government to go too far when it comes to dehumanizing ppl.

    what this guy's doing though doesn't seem like a bad move

    For sure, and i mean, whenever a story seems too good to be true, it usually is

    I remember being like 9 and reading a horror story about MS-13 being the ne plus ultra of modern depravity in Reader's Digest; they basically are the least sympathetic people possible and so naturally provide a perfect excuse for the state to marshal, well, martial-law-tier repressiveness

    I suppose it wouldn't surprise me if, five or ten years hence, we find out that it wasn't just "bad guys" whose human rights were violated, given the scale of repression which the state is wielding. but at the moment, it's hard to see the seams in the narrative

  • gabapentin

    For sure, and i mean, whenever a story seems too good to be true, it usually is

    I remember being like 9 and reading a horror story about MS-13 being the ne plus ultra of modern depravity in Reader's Digest; they basically are the least sympathetic people possible and so naturally provide a perfect excuse for the state to marshal, well, martial-law-tier repressiveness

    I suppose it wouldn't surprise me if, five or ten years hence, we find out that it wasn't just "bad guys" whose human rights were violated, given the scale of repression which the state is wielding. but at the moment, it's hard to see the seams in the narrative

    yep on the same page as u w this

  • Mar 8, 2023
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    Sunnis hate tombstones.
    Shias love them

    That's why they never get along

  • Mar 9, 2023
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    FranquitoReynolds

    Sunnis hate tombstones.
    Shias love them

    That's why they never get along

    Wtf this has to do w the subject at hand

  • Bergrat

    Wtf this has to do w the subject at hand

    The Sunnis believe it is sacriligious that Shias consider the Ahle Bayt ( the alleged prophets lineage) holly.
    Sunnis arent into the family gang s*** so when the Saud family got power they destroyed the Ahle Bayt tombstones in Arabia so that Shias didn't go pray infront of them. The Sunnis don't view Imam Ali the cousin of Muhammad Aka the anchor between heaven and earth (as shias tend to believe 😂) to be a positive figure in Islam and say he in fact caused a lot of bloodshed between muslims hence why a member of his own gang assasinated him.

  • Mar 9, 2023
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    Bergrat

    Wtf this has to do w the subject at hand

    Bukele’s father is Sunni

  • Mar 9, 2023
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    Bukele’s father is Sunni

    !dream Nayib Bukele father is Sunni

  • Mar 10, 2023
    slimreapercantrap

    yeah it makes sense

    but comparing gang members to nazis seems risky, no? I mean nazis are so bad that pretty much anything done against a nazi feels justified. If we found out that some nazi official got skinned alive, would we feel bad for him? probably not.

    Now imagine the government is basically telling you that these people, gang members, are a***ogous to nazis. You can probably then infer where I'm taking this.

    Am I saying that El Salvador will be skinning its own citizens alive? No. But I am saying that "tough on crime" policies that dehumanize criminals often lead to more harm than good, usually only ensuring that crime rates increase

    Gangs in Latin America are not like us gangs...

    Ideologically they're different, but the way they enforce their power is pretty much the same as Nazis when you consider the fact that they dismember whoever they consider their opps, often times while they're still conscious.

    In terms of disregarding human life like an ant on a sidewalk, I'd say they're pretty similar.