Jihyo

2y

What are neoliberal values?

hereditary

2y

i don’t think that’s what they saying and i think even the conclusion they actually give is a stretch but im open to be corrected

they say that neolib survey didnt indicate that neolib values lead to higher ideation, but stronger correlation in stigma against suicide

and then used older studies that indicated a link between stigma against suicide with higher severity of suicidal thoughts that occur to indicate that neolib values might be a risk factor

but this doesn’t seem at all like an accurate thing to infer from this info that neolib grindset values->stigma against suicide->more likely to kill self

hereditary

2y

i don’t think that’s what they saying and i think even the conclusion they actually give is a stretch but im open to be corrected

they say that neolib survey didnt indicate that neolib values lead to higher ideation, but stronger correlation in stigma against suicide

and then used older studies that indicated a link between stigma against suicide with higher severity of suicidal thoughts that occur to indicate that neolib values might be a risk factor

but this doesn’t seem at all like an accurate thing to infer from this info that neolib grindset values->stigma against suicide->more likely to kill self

Jody

2y

Seems like a reach

Scratchin Mamba

2y

If neolib values lead to higher stigma, and higher stigma leads to higher risk of suicide, what else is needed to make that inference besides replication studies with a less biased sample

hereditary

2y

“Notably, the authors did not find a significant effect of neoliberal values on suicidal ideation.”

The conclusion researchers reach is “neolib values aren’t correlated with suicidal thoughts, but it fosters risk factors that are otherwise associated with suicide” which is very different than “neolib values lead to higher risk of suicide.”

can’t just force a conclusion that the researchers themselves admit isnt there.

Scratchin Mamba

2y

Did you actually read the article?

It doesn't increase suicidal ideation, but it increases the severity of suicidal thoughts and suicidal ideation stigma, which increases the likelihood of suicide.

Marble

2y

Op literally disproves his own thread title in the last few paragraphs of the op

hereditary

2y

yes i did

a correlating with b and b correlating with c doesnt mean a correlates with c.

i could give a million examples mr mamba but i like you and your posts so im not gonna argue over this because idk if youre willing to engage in good faith.

hereditary

2y

yes i did

a correlating with b and b correlating with c doesnt mean a correlates with c.

i could give a million examples mr mamba but i like you and your posts so im not gonna argue over this because idk if youre willing to engage in good faith.

Scratchin Mamba

2y

And that's why more research is needed to confirm the relationship as i acknowledged itt and was stated in the artucle's conclusion, but it's a good study to start and they have a solid theory backing it up

Tkken

2y

your second line doesn't apply when there is a casual relationship between B and C

WHaaaT

2y

Work is a religion in this sick f***ing country, grindset culture motherfuckers are soulless and idiotic

hereditary

2y

yeah its an interesting concept for sure on the stress that neolib culture creates. no denial there

i think more meaningful research would have to be done on these values in people who have killed themselves if the ideation link isn’t there

but obviously that would be very difficult to conduct and idk probably ethically dubious too

Scratchin Mamba

2y

It's hard to directly prove the link between those increased suicide risk factors and the origins of those risk factors, because well, it's hard to survey people who committed suicide

But the increased severity of suicidal ideation and risk factor are already something in and of itself too

Jody

2y

Seems like a reach

hereditary

2y

not true sir

simpsons paradox