I was in there defending Nikita when she dropped recent song . When Nikita recently trended the idea that she got surgery to give her black features came up as if a big butt or big b**** were tied to black woman culture . Similar to Kim kardashian debates over her surgery . Not even tan but surgery itself and being told she is trying to be black

So is someone trying to be black ? Is someone trying to be a woman ? Or is someone trying to be themselves and whatever they envision in the mirror ? Which also intertwines with society interpretation of all these groups

When I said being a woman was more than just genatalia and stereotype I wasn’t just trying to be edgy . People have joked about d ykes or butches for quite some time like young ma is any less of a woman for gender expression. They’ve said Meg or other women look like a man as an insult or a horse

Lady Gaga addresses the rumor she has a p**** and how she addressed when people said she has a d*** .

But nothing about this is shocking based on Dave deal

How can you not see it connects when they jump on Nikita and much of the trans community for getting surgery to “ get black features “ again that’s directly from many black women

What he is discussing is how gay , black women , trans women

Or the various most isolated cultures create culture but at times white gay men are accused of stealing parts or culture from black women , gays and drag

So things like period or I know dats right or giving what it’s supposed to give are eventually only validated when spoken by someone attractive and famous be it lizzo or saweetie

Same way I was saying being trans is more than a performance because I’ve said in many threads you can be trans even without undergoing surgery or hormones many especially in black or non white communities can’t afford to undergo or no family backing or go homeless to do so or mutual aid . RX Papi popped in replying like “ y’all niggas dumb you got no trans friends “ . I do and follow a trans non profit . That’s why I’m communicating all this information that I can . I’ve never said someone should or shouldn’t be offended by things Dave said

I’ve said it gets into questions of what is it to be a woman and how do you unite a community who has felt a woman or man their whole life and now society is seeing what they have been seeing or feeling their whole life . Because suddenly now they have to make others believe what they’ve known to be true ( again the matrix , allegory of the cave ) .

What unites trans women and women outside of suffering submissiveness ? What unites trans men and men outside of dominance ?

What does it mean to be a man ? Is it jumping off a building to your death because of holding in emotions or feeling like no one will understand or even saying you feel suicidal will get you locked up ? It’s so many different things about gender identity and suffering to explore

Same way Israel gives the right to return to any Jewish person even if their family never step foot in Israel . Yet Palestinians who lives there last week but got ethnically cleansed cannot. Identity and past held beliefs or suffering defining us . Same way black people are United by more than slavery suffering and modern day police fears .

this special was like nanette for joe rogan viewers

I feel you could only possibly see it as anything remotely close to this if you’re chronically online. It’s mostly jokes with some social commentary thrown in. So basically it’s every big comedy special since the 70’s.

It’s not just jokes but it’s not hate speech or just saying to be edgy . It isn’t South Park level plot if you follow and connect his whole idea both in this special and in others about identity

How can you believe in cultural appropriation and not get what Dave is saying ? I am being 100% serious. Because that’s what some women are feeling ? Are they right ? Do they own certain things because they are women presenting at birth ? Who knows but the point remains this debate and point of contention not shocking we see it mirrored in many things of someone not being a “ real “ any identity . Same as culture vulture.

Gender is a construct vs gender is a fact

Some women get little to no periods , some are infertile , some no b**** , their personality has no limits so again it loops to how do you define what it means to be a woman and who do you learn from ?

I understand why women would feel like that but I'm also pretty sure that some peoples chromosomes flip flopped or something in utero and they genuinely feel like a woman trapped inside of a man's body or vice versa and any variation in between

I think there is actually science to it unlike cultural appropriation

Thanks for the reasoned response and this loops into the point that many believe in God over any science or psychology. They will more quickly just call someone crazy

When I spotted them

Born in the wrong body rhetoric is transphobic now too Elric. Don’t even try getting into this discourse. It is a nightmare.

What? Really?

Yes, it’s treated as essentializing the binary and a gross oversimplification of how our minds respond to our bodies. Then again saying that gender isn’t real and is more so a fluid performance is also now transphobic. It really depends who you talk to you and which angle they’re coming at it from.

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Yeah lol I once said “ what if rather than more genders we stopped seeking to define people “ I got called transphobic and told “ gender roles are important for trans people to transition too”

I was like gender roles make no sense and serve no one but capitalism

mfs so soft these days it's ridiculous

it's an oversimplification for sure but its what my common sense has always told me. You could see it coming from elementary school in some of these kids.

Wtf does essentializing the binary mean

People I never expected to see in the same picture

Burr wasn't lying about Joe dragging his knuckles

iight y’all really losing me now

I thought the whole thing was about gender fluidity n not conforming to any thing

At times some that don’t believe in gender roles at all meet someone who believes gender is a fact vs gender fluid

It’s all a mess in short

But some trans people subscribe to idea that gender is a fact and they were born in new body . Because if gender was just fluid for some what would be point of changing hormones or s***organs they would just be . It differs from trans person to trans person