maxxing

1mo

I mean it was proven that drawing isn’t Jordan’s years ago

shaleirose

1mo

Allegation is all it takes for y’all

WRU

1mo

long live mike jack

maxxing

1mo

How would we know which one is accurate? That isn’t possible to determine given the information we have. Jordan’s photo was never released, and the public never learned what MJ’s genitalia looked like. All we know is multiple people confirmed the match.

maxxing

1mo

You’re pathetic

maxxing

1mo

You’re pure f***ing evil

Teejayx6

1mo

Does anyone really believe he f***ed those kids

Koala

1mo

Idk what he did.. but going lengths to justify a grown man sleeping with/near other people’s children as “normal” is weird to me

Don’t think anyone else would get a pass.

AshTheRobot

1mo

I grew up in a household where my mom is obsessive MJ fan, and still is to this day. So i grew up most of my life believing he was innocent and framed.

I can agree that maybe he didnt physically touch kids, based on the evidence that is there.

But based on the stuff we do know, absolutely nobody would be fighting tooth and nail to defend innocence for an ordinary guy. Like, if your homeboy had a “art book” of nude children in their possession, theres no explanation he could possibly give you that would ease your mind of thinking he’s a pedo.

On top of that, with MJ ppl ignore behavior that we would rightfully call grooming behavior if it were anyone else. We rightfully call Drake regularly texting a 13YO girl weird. We rightfully call Lewis Carrol’s obsession with a kid weird. But for MJ having sleepovers with young boys is somehow not weird. It’s like suddenly ppl forget, that even if he didnt touch kids, the entire concept of grooming exists. The entire concept of creeps getting gratification through things other than actual physical touch is a thing.
I more so don’t get arguing with ppl who reasonably believe he’s a pedo, when absolutely nobody else would get this charitabilty in the same scenarios lol

AshTheRobot

1mo

Keeping a book that featured naked children in it is weird no matter what you present to try and spin it. If we were talking about a college professor who taught photography, MAYBE it would be a tad bit less weird.

But it isn't just the books. Its the combination of everything

• Nude Art Books with naked children in it is still weird. No matter how you try to spin it, you are basically using a "its a 3000 year vampire" adjacent Loli argument with extra steps.
• Multiple accusations.
• The friendly adult, who invites children over their house to either predate on them, or groom them. Which is a common trait for predators that many ppl(including myself) have experienced.
• Having p*** on the ranch, which even IF he didn't show kids the p***, this directly contradicts the idea of this being a paradise and safe space for kids.
• On top of that, his childhood being filled with abuse is sad. However, and abusive childhood is the most common traits amongst predators.
• Etc.

Again, I can agree that it is possible that he didn't touch kids. I can agree that some accusers may have been looking for money. But a lot of the facts we do know are MASSIVE red flags, even if he didn't commit a crime. You know good and well if you knew someone with this track record you wouldnt be okay with kids in your life being around them.

AshTheRobot

1mo

Again. I can believe that actual physical molestation may have not happened(and even then, my stance on that is “idk”. Not a definitive “it didn’t happen”)

My point is that even if no actual assault has happened, a lot of this stuff is still creepy and red flag behavior. All of it is only defended because we’re talking about a massive pop star. Even the point that “he befriended entire families”. Befriending the parents is also a extremely common predator tactic.

There are documented predators who do things that are inappropriate without actually doing anything illegal. Its not possible for us to know what his intentions were, because we didnt know him. And its even not possible to know intentions of ppl we do know.

I love and respect the dude’s art, as it was a massive part of my childhood. But just accept that his behavior was weird and creepy, and there is a possibility he wasnt a great dude. There is enough there that its reasonable for ppl to believe he was a pedo, and i wouldnt argue with them

mdmadon

1mo

just seen this 1979 s*** brazy

@KingOfPop u heard bout this thoughts?

KingOfPop

1mo

Stop wasting your time with this nonsense.

mdmadon

1mo

so u think its completely false ok got it

KingOfPop

1mo

So did the FBI:
https://vault.fbi.gov/Michael%20Jackson/Michael%20Jackson%20Part%2001/view

The 2005 prosecution weren't interested either.

Again, stop wasting your time on this nonsense.

mdmadon

1mo

same year 1979 https://www.reddit.com/r/LeavingNeverlandHBO/comments/1sxx2hw/if_it_was_someone_else_he_or_she_would_be/ he was moving wild tbh there's way too much smoke n I don't believe everyone but he was defo a groomer n more than likely a pedo n not all allegations are from money hungry people tryne sue or get a quick buck https://www.reddit.com/r/LeavingNeverlandHBO/comments/1sxbdlt/what_is_the_story_about_michael_jackson_in/ another accusation of strange noises coming from a carriage next door to mj's train cubicle that was reported and him calling the boy a cousin way too many accusations even before 1993 and after for him not to be addicted to children and hanging out with them could've easily just never spent time with children that weren't his post 1993 allegations ruining his career but he didn't but everyone believes what they believe not gonna back n forth I know you've spent more time going over all the allegations to get your own perspective and pop

mdmadon

1mo

same year 1979 https://www.reddit.com/r/LeavingNeverlandHBO/comments/1sxx2hw/if_it_was_someone_else_he_or_she_would_be/ he was moving wild tbh there's way too much smoke n I don't believe everyone but he was defo a groomer n more than likely a pedo n not all allegations are from money hungry people tryne sue or get a quick buck https://www.reddit.com/r/LeavingNeverlandHBO/comments/1sxbdlt/what_is_the_story_about_michael_jackson_in/ another accusation of strange noises coming from a carriage next door to mj's train cubicle that was reported and him calling the boy a cousin way too many accusations even before 1993 and after for him not to be addicted to children and hanging out with them could've easily just never spent time with children that weren't his post 1993 allegations ruining his career but he didn't but everyone believes what they believe not gonna back n forth I know you've spent more time going over all the allegations to get your own perspective and pop

KingOfPop

1mo

Don't ever quote me again.

F***ing Reddit links, and from that subreddit as well.

Pathetic.

Dankmustard Mobile

1mo

Responding to fbi links with reddit links means u already lost