Yeezus was clearly the beginning of the decline for Ye, even if its an amazing album and one of his best roll outs. TLOP was a moment and pretty good, but nowhere near those first 6. Donda clears
Truly crazy how Kanye's music fell off a f***in cliff after Yeezus while Cole and Mac went on to get better
Mac's didn't
Truly crazy how Kanye's music fell off a f***in cliff after Yeezus while Cole and Mac went on to get better
Stop comparing the greatest artist of all time to two good rappers
The Life of Pablo is a masterpiece
Ye, KSG, and Donda are all great later career works
Yeezus was groundbreaking.
Such a polarizing release
Influenced a lot of your favorite artists.
Stop comparing the greatest artist of all time to two good rappers
The Life of Pablo is a masterpiece
Ye, KSG, and Donda are all great later career works
Reading is fundamental
And for the love of god please spare me with that "We don't need to compare" or "All three can co-exist" bullshit.
He went 1/3 after WMWTSO. I'm cool on that Ariana Grande ass rap he was doing on Divine Feminine and Circles
He went 1/3 after WMWTSO. I'm cool on that Ariana Grande ass rap he was doing on Divine Feminine and Circles
GO:OD and Swimming were great
Also think The Divine Feminine was dope too, departure from weirdo psychedelic lane again and it was executed well. Beautiful album tbh
GO:OD and Swimming were great
I forgot about GO:OD, bro went 1/4. I'm cool on those 3 albums, mind you I'm not a BSP fan. I didn't like Mac until the Macadelic tape
Which is cheeks too but it's progression
born sinner i prolly played the most over time. yeezus is super nostalgic to me. and i just started coming around to mac’s album ngl. but all three incredibly solid, don’t think we’ll get a historic rap release day like this again
Yeezus obviously
but WMWTSO has some highs that I still play. The Star Room and Red Dot Music are top tier Mac tracks that I’d personally take over a lot of tracks on Yeezus
I feel like Born Sinner was always last in this and is Coles worst project. It’s pretty impressive how much he leveled up a year later with FHD tho
Yeezus but Mac's album is pretty close.
The revisionist history for J Cole on here is hilarious though.
After FHD, everyone and their mother was criticizing Cole's music from 4YEO and onward.
People were accusing him of beign artistically underwhelming and stagnant. They were saying that 4YEO was a poor man's TPAB and KOD was preachy and ruined by Kill Edward's s***ty vocals.
The Off-Season was considered a return to form but it got overshadowed by a lot of rap albums in the 2020's and didn't really leave a huge mark for Cole. As much as people nitpicked Kendrick's album, I hear WAY more discussion over Kendrick's album than Cole's despite Cole's album being much more accessible with a 21 Savage feature and everything.
I feel like some people here are giving Cole props for "telling the truth" about Kanye on False Prophets and not actually holding him to the same high standards as Ye and Mac.
Underwhelming and stagnant is putting it lightly.
People were saying his music was straight up boring.
Yeezus is the only one I still spin on a regular basis. Mac came thru with a strong project that (along with Macadelic) kind of served as a map for what was going to come from him, and he would top it later.
I don't listen to Born Sinner at all. It's been so long in fact that I don't even want to say what I think of it, but off rip I would say it's one of Cole's weakest albums.
Yeezus but Mac's album is pretty close.
The revisionist history for J Cole on here is hilarious though.
After FHD, everyone and their mother was criticizing Cole's music from 4YEO and onward.
People were accusing him of beign artistically underwhelming and stagnant. They were saying that 4YEO was a poor man's TPAB and KOD was preachy and ruined by Kill Edward's s***ty vocals.
The Off-Season was considered a return to form but it got overshadowed by a lot of rap albums in the 2020's and didn't really leave a huge mark for Cole. As much as people nitpicked Kendrick's album, I hear WAY more discussion over Kendrick's album than Cole's despite Cole's album being much more accessible with a 21 Savage feature and everything.
I feel like some people here are giving Cole props for "telling the truth" about Kanye on False Prophets and not actually holding him to the same high standards as Ye and Mac.
born sinner is my favorite cole album by a long shot
Underwhelming and stagnant is putting it lightly.
People were saying his music was straight up boring.
Facts. I just wanted to be nice to Cole.
But, seriously, Cole was NOT revered like that post FHD. Few people outside of Cole stans were praising his post FHD albums and claiming that they were groundbreaking or innovative albums.
4YEO and KOD were panned by many people. The Dreamsville album was good but that's not a Cole project and Middle Child had mixed reception.
Off Season was considered Cole's best album since FHD but it was never seen as this classic or great album. Just a dope album from Cole where he finally embraced collaboration with others.
I get that Ye is pretty unlikeable these days and Cole was probably speaking facts on False Prophet but the OP claiming that Cole showed "growth" after Born Sinner while criticizing Kanye for not growing after Yeezus is hilariously misleading and revisionist history at its finest.
TLOP may not beat Ye's previous albums in quality but Ye definitely showed more growth and creativity on that project than any of Cole's albums post Born Sinner.
As for rapping, Cole always rapped better than Kanye. Logic also raps better than Kanye. That's not the same as artistry though.
Reading is fundamental
And for the love of god please spare me with that "We don't need to compare" or "All three can co-exist" bullshit.
I’m not saying we don’t need to compare, I’m saying you’re a moron with no taste if you think you can even mention those two albums in the same breath as Yeezus
I’m not saying we don’t need to compare, I’m saying you’re a moron with no taste if you think you can even mention those two albums in the same breath as Yeezus
I mean people can just change their opinions on albums after ten years because of what the albums mean to them at that point in their life.
Don't have to be a b**** about it bro. It's a forum about music discussion.