UBI is Universal Basic Income which is Yang's flagship proposal and FJG is Federal Job Guarantee which is one of Bernie's biggest proposals

Basically he's trying to guarantee a job working for the federal government for people. Which doesn't make any sense or address any of the existential problems like, what if someone doesn't wanna work that s***ty job

Except he's literally not lmao.

He said himself he doesn't support Bernie's vision of medicare for all, and wouldn't eliminate private insurance because it's too disruptive. He doesn't support eliminating student debt, instead he just wants to ease the burden of it lmao, I see nothing on his page about eliminating medical debt, his climate plan is nowhere near as detailed, is not for raising the minimum wage to 15 an hour, I see nothing in his plan about workplace democracy as Sanders has laid out.

Also this idea you have in your head that federal jobs are s***ty is just astounding to me lmao

He's releasing his full M4A plan soon and yeah he doesn't support eliminating all student debt because he wants to switch the focus more on trade schools because he says our educational institutions have failed us and become overbloated bureaucratic non sense.

How is his climate plan not detailed, have you even read it?

Workplace democracy? lol. Bro Yang is talking about more futuristic ideas about changing the whole idea of what "work" is.

Weird to me how Yang talks up the importance of child care workers and such but part of bernies jobs for all proposal mentions the importance of child care workers and aid for senior citizens.

This idea you have that every person wants to work some s***ty federal government job is astounding

Ok he mentions it so what is he gonna do about it? $1000 directly into the hands of child care workers and stay at home mothers would be exponentially more effective in helping people.

He literally has just said recently he doesn't support eliminating private insurance because it's too disruptive. If you don't support getting rid of private insurance you can't say it's a position close to Bernie.

And you can focus on trade schools and eliminate student debt lmao. Not to mention Bernie wants tuition free college. Yang does not. Big difference in their policies.

And I'll be fair, just now seeing his actual climate plan, but can't fault me or others for that matter considering its on the blog portion of his website. On the policies page its still just five bullet points.

That's a cute little talking point, but does nothing to tackle issues actual people are facing. Changing the nature of work doesn't mean people aren't going to need to work or the fact that workers need a hell of a lot of a bigger say than they do now.

1k plan is a band aid for the real issues in this country. Medical, housing, wages, etc.

Yup.

If you aren't eliminating the profit motive of the health care industry, aren't stacking ubi on ALL benefits, aren't increasing wages, aren't eliminating medical and student debt, etc., then 1k really isn't that much more.

Does it help? Sure, to a point. But it is not the cure all Yang pretends it to be. He needs to stop treating automation and job loss as an inevitability.

If I lose my job to automation and have no income now, trust me 1k a month is not helping

FJG sounds like a good idea, but if all citizens work for the government what kind of country will we be in the future?

I do not think Yang is a perfect candidate but I do think he genuinely cares about people in this country, and cares about their wellbeing more than trying to appeal to a political philosophy like I think many candidates are guilty of.
He has policies for medicare, fair housing, etc and many other things as well. I don't think all of his policies are perfect by any means (I think some on his site are downright idiotic) and I don't think he's some genius or political messiah like some do, but I do think he genuinely wants to solve these problems and hold a fair dialogue on them moreso than any other candidate running to be honest

Not all citizens would work for the government lol. You might be severely underestimating how many people there are in America. Bernie isn't eliminating the private sector.

Yes, I think Yang genuinely believes what he's saying and sees it as the best path forward. I also think he's very much mistaken for most of it and plays much more political games than people admit.

That Mckinsey study he cites as the basis for his fear of automation and thus the freedom dividend is a lot more detailed than he gives it credit for, and he's knowingly omitted that from his conversation around automation.

I agree that Yang's fears of automation are far exaggerated. I've worked in the tech industry for a long time and have a specialization in this stuff, and while certain things are slowly being automated, this idea what all automation is going to come in within the next 2-3 years or something is certainly a bad figure. AI, Blockchain, etc. are nowhere near as comprehensive as the media would have you think obviously.
But that said I don't think all of his policies are inherently bad. In my opinion I would shave down the dividend from $1000 to a lower amount monthly and pair it with better more comprehensive healthcare, education, and housing reforms (not that he doesn't have these, but regardless). I do think he's on the right track though in trying to help people without regard for purity to an arbitrary political ideology though.
All in all, I would say I like him better than most other candidates because not only does he have a genuine concern for what he's doing but he's willing to discuss it openly and create dialogue on issues. I'm not sure he's my #1 pick or anything but I do like him.

From everything I've read on UBI specifically from guys like robert reich and jim pugh is that yangs version doesn't work because it eliminates certain benefits, so calling it an extra 1k a month is a bit disingenuous and why cutting it also wouldn't work even if it makes it more feasible.

I think a UBI on top of bernies proposals would be great, but then we're getting into the area of where its probably not even economically feasible or even necessary.

I don't really care about the ideology crap either, pundits and a***ysts will put you on the scale regardless of whether or not you personally identify as one position or another

Well honestly going down the socialist route will get you there it's just a matter of time lol

i think in many cases the reason I bring up the ideology is because there are nuances to where certain ideologies work and do not. marching a country into poor planning or policy over an appeal to ideological purity is meaningless; just look at evangelicals and their warped sense of """christianity"""" in governmental policy. With many politicians you get stuck with either s***ty politicians or politicians more concerned with an idea than practice. I just like Yang because he doesn't think everything he thinks has a preconceived notion of being right. Even if he isn't right in everything, the fact he's willing to even discuss these things instead of thinking they're inherently written in stone I feel is appealing.
Regarding the benefits thing, Yang has a M4A plan, D*** cost control plan, paid family leave plan, as well as loan/debt plans and education reform plans among others. Yang is not in the same category as libertarian UBI sycophants who want to implement UBI and get rid of the state/state benefits otherwise.You can look on his website for confirmation with that.

Props to Yang for making UBI more discussed but he kinda trash outside of this and the d*** policy

I know he has plans for that stuff. I'm saying most of it doesn't go far enough in addressing the systemic issues the country faces. Why reduce the student debt burden when you can eliminate it?

And the other poster mentioned he's supposed to be releasing his M4A plans soon, but based on recent statements it doesn't seem like he's going to be eliminating the profit motive that private companies are beholden to.

Like yeah, I get why some people are excited about yang but I don't see it at all. When I hear him speak or read his policies, I don't get the idea that this is someone who really understands all the issues we face today or that he'd be all that interested in fighting for most of them.

That's fair, as I said above I don't think Yang is the messiah or anything so if you dislike him I don't think you have an obligation to think otherwise or anything. I think all candidates have some flaws, no one candidate is going to be perfect, but I do like some aspects of his platform.

yea lmao, it's just a hypothetical idea.

Being a bottom feeder forced to work a government job

What a life