The US as a state entity lost the second they stayed there a day past Bin Laden. There was never any point of the US being there. Even focusing on Bin Laden was pushing it. What was the victory condition long-term? Staying there forever? I don’t think anyone in our own military even knew. It was impossible to win because no one had any idea what actual victory entailed to begin with. It definitely wasn’t propping up the Afghan government, that was like an inadvertent offshoot at best. On the other hand, the US as a collective of Corporate interest got to extract wealth and exploit the country and themselves (on the high level) got out scot-free for years. Even if the US lost in terms of state interest they “won” right up until they left

Some people got it twisted

US Big corps and their affiliates Won
Taliban Won
Afghans Lost
US citizens Lost

It is really cut and dry tbh

Imagine being a US citizen and your tax money eventually ends up going to Taliban instead of getting you universal health care

What does that have to do with the comment you quoted?

And, I’m confused at the logic behind this? What’s a win look like in this situation? Afghan isn’t a US territory, the only resolution is permanently occupying which nobody wanted. The main reason for the invasion was resolved years ago, everything after was US playing super hero which was never going to last.

Yea we took an L on this point but aren’t you a citizen yourself?

Government was shelling out money to everyone yet stingy with their own citizens. Garbage tier.

I'm not.

They did. CIA method of fighting the soviets was by funding the exteremists madarassas ...
US citizens tax money long been getting wasted.
That's why yall so f***ed and have a ridiculous high poverty and crime rate for a supposed first country.
It's all glitter to cover the s*** up.

The leftist muslims were educated people. And they had enough of old school government systems.

Educated people automatically drift away from Mullahs.

To fight the Soviets US funded the religious self titled pious guys.

Now we here boys.

Stop s***ting on my country.

Yeah but the average US citizen isnt politically aware. They need to be educated. That would solve a lot of problems.

This thread is nuts

Sources in thread

What country do you live in?

bro ...WHAT?

US is the invader but somehow convinced everybody that its the liberator.

Cant convince me mainstream media propaganda doesn't work.

i kinda agree but to be fair, he only followed the timeline. I doubt Biden would have left without a predecessor laying the grounds for it. He does deserve credit for ending the war tho

i read it wasnt closed because the british requested it be left open

it sounds way more likely to be an issue of incompetence and poor organisation. nothing to gain from an inside job

not arguing with the rest of what you've posted in here

Uh, have you seen the press? Nobody in power wanted to leave except this old man who happened to be in position to do so. The Brits requesting it be left open while intelligence indicated an imminent threat is the definition of conspiracy. It's being called "Biden's Benghazi" so the reporting hasn't even been accurate.

i think it was a tactical misfire on the part of britain which us forces on the ground went along with

i see no benefit to the us of this inside job. inside jobs are done to manufacture consent for actions that serve the elite

the us has continued leaving despite this attack, and even if they did an about turn, they would face an even steeper challenge than they did back in 2001, with the taliban now being better armed and no northern alliance to enlist.

unless of course you believe this is orchestrated by the military industrial complex for the sake of selling more arms and winnign more money, but even so, this hasnt stopped the us from continuing their withdrawal

I gave Trump credit initially during the initial Doha Treaty discussions as well (also for his rhetoric in 2016 that was largely anti-NATO and anti-war), but I disliked him basically reneging on it and not following through with many of those promises or rhetoric. Since Biden did actually act on it I give him partial credit where due, I don't think it otherwise absolves him as a perfect politician or anything close to that obviously though.

Press conference confirmed what I had thought. Biden should have been more strict with telling Americans to leave. It should have been leave or risk getting left.

I’m positive that most people ignored the calls to start leaving months ago and waited last minute contributing to the mess that we had with evacuation. Had Biden told people start withdrawing or you will be left even if you attempt to leave on the day of the deadline I think more would’ve taken it seriously. Which also goes back to thinking Afghan would hold up longer than it did, another miscalculation on their part which he admitted.

Southern equator

Insider take on the Taliban's intelligence network in Kabul atm, but also this little gem

In 2015, the CIA got its Afghan sister unit, the National Directorate of Security (NDS), to establish new paramilitary outfits to, in theory, fight ISIS, which later became locally identified as ISIS-Khorasan.

consortiumnews.com/2021/08/31/blowback-taliban-target-us-intels-shadow-army