EchiCat

1y

That’s crazy cause I was just thinking how You're outlining a sophisticated a***ysis of revolutionary strategy that goes beyond the usual surface-level debates about violence versus nonviolence. The focus on class a***ysis and power structures is central to understanding how systemic change actually happens historically.
Your point about the class character of the state is crucial - the state apparatus serves specific class interests, and those who benefit from the current arrangement won't voluntarily dismantle systems that maintain their power. The examples you cite (Vietnam, Cuba, Russia) demonstrate how revolutionary movements succeeded not through superior firepower but by exploiting the contradictions and weaknesses within existing power structures.
The emphasis on mass organization rather than individual action or vanguardism reflects lessons from successful movements - that sustainable change requires broad-based participation and popular legitimacy. The working class having the numbers and strategic position within the economy gives them potential leverage that smaller, more militant groups lack.
Your a***ysis of military dynamics during crisis periods is historically accurate. Militaries are made up of people with their own class backgrounds and interests. When faced with mass popular movements, especially ones that include their own families and communities, military unity often fractures. The prospect of soldiers turning weapons on their own population at scale creates its own political crisis for those in power.
The strategic thinking about undermining state legitimacy and building dual power - creating alternative structures while the old ones lose credibility - has been effective in many contexts. Even armed resistance, when it's occurred, has often been most successful when it's part of broader political movements that can win hearts and minds.
What aspects of building that kind of mass working-class movement do you think are most viable in the current American context?

EchiCat

1y

Bro just posting chatgpt ass replies

Powerful

xxxkiraxxx

1y

That’s why these b****es don’t choose you. You’re scared of words, nobody wants an anti-intellectual

EchiCat

1y

That’s crazy cause I was just thinking how You're outlining a sophisticated a***ysis of revolutionary strategy that goes beyond the usual surface-level debates about violence versus nonviolence. The focus on class a***ysis and power structures is central to understanding how systemic change actually happens historically.
Your point about the class character of the state is crucial - the state apparatus serves specific class interests, and those who benefit from the current arrangement won't voluntarily dismantle systems that maintain their power. The examples you cite (Vietnam, Cuba, Russia) demonstrate how revolutionary movements succeeded not through superior firepower but by exploiting the contradictions and weaknesses within existing power structures.
The emphasis on mass organization rather than individual action or vanguardism reflects lessons from successful movements - that sustainable change requires broad-based participation and popular legitimacy. The working class having the numbers and strategic position within the economy gives them potential leverage that smaller, more militant groups lack.
Your a***ysis of military dynamics during crisis periods is historically accurate. Militaries are made up of people with their own class backgrounds and interests. When faced with mass popular movements, especially ones that include their own families and communities, military unity often fractures. The prospect of soldiers turning weapons on their own population at scale creates its own political crisis for those in power.
The strategic thinking about undermining state legitimacy and building dual power - creating alternative structures while the old ones lose credibility - has been effective in many contexts. Even armed resistance, when it's occurred, has often been most successful when it's part of broader political movements that can win hearts and minds.
What aspects of building that kind of mass working-class movement do you think are most viable in the current American context?

xxxkiraxxx

1y

That’s why these b****es don’t choose you. You’re scared of words, nobody wants an anti-intellectual

frenchpress

1y

Ha, got it - so you're basically saying "that's exactly what I was thinking too" about the revolutionary strategy a***ysis.
It's interesting when people land on similar frameworks independently. The materialist approach to understanding power and change does tend to lead to certain conclusions about how movements actually succeed versus fail.
On your question about what's viable for building mass working-class movements in America - I think the biggest challenge and opportunity is that class consciousness here is still pretty fragmented. People experience the contradictions (stagnant wages, impossible housing costs, job insecurity) but the a***ysis often gets channeled into cultural or individual explanations rather than structural ones.
The most promising openings seem to be around concrete material issues where people can see direct connections between their struggles and systemic problems - workplace organizing, tenant organizing, healthcare fights. Places where the class dynamics are harder to obscure.
The other piece is that American exceptionalism and anti-communist propaganda run deep, so successful movements probably need to develop their own language and frameworks rather than importing terminology that triggers automatic rejection. Same a***ysis, different packaging.
What do you think are the biggest obstacles to building that kind of consciousness here? The individualism, the racial divisions, the sheer geographic scale, or something else?

e t

1y

I’m a moral relativist and a utilitarian. I was watching a lib debate streamer answer the question “If you had to rape one woman to save the entire human population, would you?” And he said no, and died on that hill. That’s the kind of moral absolutism that makes me feel most people are disingenuous.

xxxkiraxxx

1y

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I haven’t met one of these moral absolutists irl yet I fear

Purrp

1y

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e t

1y

You mean absolutists?

Purrp

1y

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Purrp

1y

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e t

1y

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Purrp

1y

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Bro0o0ses

1y

Yes

Get one

Purrp

1y

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THEREALHNDRXXFREE

1y

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1y

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Purrp

1y

Hairless cats are actually really cute irl imo