Aristotle

2y

I don't appreciate the discrimination in this thread. stop persecuting the first page

John Mauve

2y

brother's ktt2 username is Aristotle

HURRY UP K DOG

2y

As a straight, white, male I can't believe how marginalized I am in today's society

Aristotle

2y

When I say right-wing, I just mean anti-egalitarian. There is no system that exists for the left nor the right. If you mean progressive vs. conservative, then yeah, I somewhat agree, but only because conservative means like 1000 different things.

I don't think conservatism emerged as a reaction to systems. If we go back to the earliest civilizations, pretty much all of them were more conservative than liberal.

Aristotle

2y

When I say right-wing, I just mean anti-egalitarian. There is no system that exists for the left nor the right. If you mean progressive vs. conservative, then yeah, I somewhat agree, but only because conservative means like 1000 different things.

I don't think conservatism emerged as a reaction to systems. If we go back to the earliest civilizations, pretty much all of them were more conservative than liberal.

John Mauve

2y

war on men

krishna bound

2y

"more conservative than liberal" is essentially just a dichotomy which exists due to diverging societal standards, it's not its an explicit definition. This isn't even de-constructive, it's just a definition which is only defined retroactively. If you mean "more based in localized ideas and communally-centered religious tradition" then sure, but that's hardly localized to intrinsic attachments to capitalism - in modern political discussions (stemming primarily back to WW2 era ofc), opposition to leftist economic theory is the only defining trait of right wing movements. Calling native american or islamic ummah societal structure "conservative" for example is a misnomer which can only come from modern political divisions. Attempts like fascism or Evola's super-fascism attempt to solve this issue but they desperately want to believe material society doesn't exist. If the dichotomy is "conservative vs liberal" than surely you can recognize this doesn't fall along right wing/left socioeconomic wings lines if you're defining this by cultural standards. In what way was the USSR, Baathist nations, etc. more liberal than the US besides economic policy?

(btw Marxism is inherently an anti-egalitarian ideology)

krishna bound

2y

"more conservative than liberal" is essentially just a dichotomy which exists due to diverging societal standards, it's not its an explicit definition. This isn't even de-constructive, it's just a definition which is only defined retroactively. If you mean "more based in localized ideas and communally-centered religious tradition" then sure, but that's hardly localized to intrinsic attachments to capitalism - in modern political discussions (stemming primarily back to WW2 era ofc), opposition to leftist economic theory is the only defining trait of right wing movements. Calling native american or islamic ummah societal structure "conservative" for example is a misnomer which can only come from modern political divisions. Attempts like fascism or Evola's super-fascism attempt to solve this issue but they desperately want to believe material society doesn't exist. If the dichotomy is "conservative vs liberal" than surely you can recognize this doesn't fall along right wing/left socioeconomic wings lines if you're defining this by cultural standards. In what way was the USSR, Baathist nations, etc. more liberal than the US besides economic policy?

(btw Marxism is inherently an anti-egalitarian ideology)

garetare

2y

move to maga pipeline sxn

Aristotle

2y

When I say right-wing, I just mean anti-egalitarian. There is no system that exists for the left nor the right. If you mean progressive vs. conservative, then yeah, I somewhat agree, but only because conservative means like 1000 different things.

I don't think conservatism emerged as a reaction to systems. If we go back to the earliest civilizations, pretty much all of them were more conservative than liberal.

Aristotle

2y

I don't think capitalism is some unique system to conservatives or the right. You can be left-winged and still be a capitalist or at least defend it in some way that draws you closer to Smith and Locke than some Marxist or Hegel. So if that's your critique, I agree, but it's not the case that everyone on the right makes that claim. I don't think opposition to modern liberal economics is the only defining trait of right-wing movements. Culture played a serious role for many and in a number of countries, the right wasn't in opposition to modern liberal economics which makes the conversation more complicated since everyone associates left with liberal and right with conservative. Left with socialism/progressivism and right with capitalism/corporatism.