Aristotle

2y

The issue here is you and I agree on the ruling class is only the ruling class because of economics, but agree for different reasons. When you say the ruling class is only the ruling class because of economics, you seem to attribute it to capitalism capitalism. When I say it, I say the ruling class emerges under any economic system and this holds throughout history.

There is no distinction in ruling class. It's still a class even if the class thinks differently or emerged under different conditions. A chief, monarch, totalitarian dictator, or wealthy elite like soros is still an elite.

krishna bound

2y

why in the world would you want a ruling class propped up by economics rather than cultural virtue/merit

mythic

2y

you are fundamentally wrong, in principle.

Aristotle

2y

It's not about what I want. It's about how things work in the world. I would obviously prefer a world where soros isn't in power. Also, I do associate merit with economics. At least historically.

krishna bound

2y

oh brother

sonyatv

2y

finally, a safe haven for me to talk about how much i hate poor people, trans people, and other minorities

Aristotle

2y

Have you read anything from Pareto or Mosca?

krishna bound

2y

yes i have read pareto and i am familiar with at least one translation of The Ruling Class

doesn't negate anything i've said

Everest

2y

@WaystarRoyco

what are some stances you hold (economic policy, social cultural stuff, foreign policy, welfare/healthcare stuff, government size) that you think would lead us to the best run society that you also believe to be inherently right wing stances?

Aristotle

2y

I want to repeal the 20th century and I want the state to burn to the ground. By state I mean public government. I want to see 100,000 countries structured like liechenstein and switzerland with extreme decentralization. War is the health of the state.

gimme a hug

2y

@KanyesBills tap in

Big Tobacco

2y

Itt you explicitly said you have no qualms with - and in fact promote - the existence of ruling classes in whatever form. Why is this form of domination more acceptable to you than that of the State?

Aristotle

2y

Probably because I never said "Hey, I like ruling classes or I like the ruling class and we should strive to see them maintained."

Big Tobacco

2y

But you promote an economic system in which there necessarily has to be a ruling class. How do you reconcile that?

Mac Tonight

2y

I don't like what you folks did to my image. I'm just a man on the moon playing music. Not a white nationalist.

Aristotle

2y

The issue here is you and I agree on the ruling class is only the ruling class because of economics, but agree for different reasons. When you say the ruling class is only the ruling class because of economics, you seem to attribute it to capitalism capitalism. When I say it, I say the ruling class emerges under any economic system and this holds throughout history.

There is no distinction in ruling class. It's still a class even if the class thinks differently or emerged under different conditions. A chief, monarch, totalitarian dictator, or wealthy elite like soros is still an elite.

necromancer

2y

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I think this post is quite interesting because this would fit in an average anarchist a***ysis of hierarchical power but the right-winger seeks to keep these hierarchies afloat and strengthened, rather than to question them.

Left-wing class struggle is deemed illegitimate and that energy is diverted to keeping these hierarchies sustained with a "class harmony" of "productive people" vs. parasites. These productive people would be the sections of the proletariat and the bourgeoise in unity with traits deemed normative (usually WASP) vs. "parasites" deemed outside the nation, most normally Jews, feminists, immigrants, etc. This is the class pseudo-analysis that Trump jumped on and his people liked it.

Right-wing populist class a***ysis tends to be based on aesthetic appearances IMO, the virile WWC blue-collar worker vs the blue-haired rootless cosmopolitan urbanite barista. This is why you see the term "laptop class" thrown around in derision in right-wing populist circles

The reason why I'm focusing on RW populism is that it is what is popular among the right-wing intellectual class currently.

Aristotle

2y

As I said before, there will always be a ruling class in society and this doesn't change under any system. It doesn't matter if it's a marxist utopian wonderland or ancapistan. We all promote economic situations where there will be a ruling class because it's a political law

krishna bound

2y

Some structures intrinsically produce different forms of what you call "ruling classes", and some of those forms are inherently superior to others.

krishna bound

2y

culture being important is essentially why right wing mythos doesn't make a ton of sense to me. if you acknowledge the importance of cultural facets, then surely you have to simultaneously acknowledge how material economics affect culture.
Given how A) it's clear capitalism dilutes culture and requires a constant reshaping to support growth and B) material economics are a real force that can't be ignored, i'm not sure how anyone could flock to ideologies which aren't cognizant of this politically