Black Smoke

2mo

So take care became a classic many years later because the standards were lowered in the late 2010s and early 2020s?

WhoAmI

2mo

Take care wasn’t considered a classic at the time

Some of yall don’t remember but I do. The main argument was it had too many skips (this was still the CD era kinda so people cared more about that)

I disagreed then and now but the argument vastly predates the Kendrick beef. It’s wrong to connect the 2

Cole sucks and has no classics

Rubbersoul

2mo

The only skip is Make Me Proud. If you listen to it front to back you don’t want to skip a song because it flows so well.

Make Me Proud just feels like a song he needed on there because Nicki would get listeners in.

Smacked Voodoo

2mo

Song was f***in garbage. To this day I still haven't listened to it in full. Just can't get behind that weak ass whiny b**** s***. Also the singing on it was awful.

WhoAmI

2mo

I might be trippin but The Real Her, Take Care, Make Me Proud, and Doing it Wrong are all skips

Lowkey you coulda kept the intro and outro and that Kendrick interlude too. I like these but they're less good than the other songs.

Rubbersoul

2mo

The only skip is Make Me Proud. If you listen to it front to back you don’t want to skip a song because it flows so well.

Make Me Proud just feels like a song he needed on there because Nicki would get listeners in.

Rubbersoul

2mo

Also saying J Cole has classics… I dunno.

I feel his best album is on the level of Because The Internet (which ain’t a classic either).

kurapika

2mo

Trippin nicki went crazy on it..

Rubbersoul

2mo

Also saying J Cole has classics… I dunno.

I feel his best album is on the level of Because The Internet (which ain’t a classic either).

Valentine

2mo

nigga just typing s***

Rubbersoul

2mo

IM A STAR…. SHERIFF BADGE

Rubbersoul

2mo

IM A STAR…. SHERIFF BADGE

Rubbersoul

2mo

I personally feel a classic hits to the wider public, not just people online or the die hard genre lovers.

I could ask ten people to name me there favorite song on GRODT and they could easily, tell me who the artist is based off the artwork alone.

I think if you asked people there favorite song on BTI or FHD you would get a lot saying they’ve never heard of that artist or album in there life.

kurapika

2mo

What the point
If im guarding
Double d up hoes
DOLLY PARTON

Rubbersoul

2mo

I personally feel a classic hits to the wider public, not just people online or the die hard genre lovers.

I could ask ten people to name me there favorite song on GRODT and they could easily, tell me who the artist is based off the artwork alone.

I think if you asked people there favorite song on BTI or FHD you would get a lot saying they’ve never heard of that artist or album in there life.

WhoAmI

2mo

Cole is another one of those dudes who got recontextualized in hindsight

Nobody in real time thought Cole was on Drakes level as a record maker or Kendricks level artistically. Nobody thought 2014 FHD was all that much better than Dark Sky Paradise or a bunch of other albums that dropped at the time.

That big 3 s*** was a psychological operation from Cole to insert himself into a convo he wasn't in

Water Giver

2mo

Look, I get it, I like Kendrick the best too and one my fav Rappers of all time

Kendrick > Drake > > > JCole to me

But saying Drake and Cole got NO classics AT ALL is a lie

At the very LEAST Drake has So Far Gone and Take Care, and Cole has Friday Night Lights and 2014 Forest Hills Drive - these are their undisputed unarguable classics that go beyond even the genre itself, just like how Kendrick's is GKMC and TPAB

You can argue any other project of theirs, but these are stamped

They exploded further than just Rap, are highly influential with the sound in Rap, broke records in music, started new trends, brought back other trends and influenced Rappers both peers and the next gen

• TC created a whole new sound and put on an entire country while doing risky stuff like silent dropping an unusual song Marvin's Room as it's FIRST single, it also sold great, reviewed well and is a genre staple - it also created the modern blueprint for the Rapper/Singer combo n basically created the 2010s mainstream - TC also has some musicality to it that is insane, like as an example, I know for sure if Stevie Wonder was playing the harmonica on a Kanye or Kendrick album it would be talked about, recognized and d*** sucked so much more - and SFG LITERALLY started the entire album-mixtape and shot Drake instantly into a major name that no one really knew beforehand while genre blending modern indie rock, modern indie pop, Rap and RnB which the first two influence were new territory for Rap and before someone like Kid Cudi, but Drakes was even more on the nose

• FHD is the only ALBUM besides Kendrick's TPAB to make a political song get major mainstream success in nearly 20 years now and the only Rap album besides TPAB to be used in rallies and political change of the 2010s (and it was a year BEFORE TPAB), FHD inspired a bunch of the next "backpack Rappers", it is a a huge staple of the 2010s generation of teens/adults, sold great, reviewed well and I know it's a joke but being as successful as it is without any real features and most of the music is also self composed is also a major deal and accomplishment that inspired a lot of artists - and FNL was basically the same as SFG just a year later and instead of massive genre blending it dug hard into "straight real Rap"

This is facts, and most people in the genre agree from fans to media to other artists and the HISTORY significance - shut up