CrimsonArk

2y

Divorced dads indeed.

krishna bound

2y

all jokes aside here, there is an incredibly clear correlation to voting habits here and its something we dont really talk about enough in political discourse. it's not simple as just "old divorced boomer likes trump to own lib women"

BlueDream

2y

The amount of posts I’m seeing saying Trump is “black” now because he got shot and has a felony is ridiculous

Like do these people hear how dumb they sound

rather late

2y

What is it then
Im pretty sure subconsciously thats a pretty big part of it

CrimsonArk

2y

“Women need to shut up and stay in the f***ing kitchen.”

orangetcovid

2y

trumpies think the blackrock vid is proof of something nefarious😭😭

K DOG 99

2y

I find it hilarious everyone in my small town are outraged by this but make no mistake if this happened to Joe Biden they'd be celebrating with fireworks lol

rather late

2y

What is it then
Im pretty sure subconsciously thats a pretty big part of it

krishna bound

2y

people act like old men just blindly hate women not understanding that old men (and old women too) grew up in rapidly different times where the fabric of what it meant to literally live in society was different - and no, i do not mean this about anything related to social views/social issues, i mean these completely economically
consider that many older men grew up in a time where it was told to them holistically by all measures of society that their sole worth and value was the ability to attract a women and then provide for a family economically. over time, these norms have changed - consider that women could not even get credit cards legally until the mid-late 70s, and then in reality couldn't without their husbands until the 90s.
the idea of women having careers that actually competed with men - no less were equal to them - did not realy substantially enter mainstream public conscious until the 90s-00s; prior to this, yes feminist movement exists and women had jobs, but the mainstream association of men was still "breadwinner". the role of "head of household" was still seen as a primarily male job.
by that time of the late 90s, most boomers already had at least 1 child (in many cases multiple). imagine a situation where you - for at that point almost half a century - lived in a time where you were told your sole value was the ability to provide for your family, and then suddenly your wife starts to feel unhappy because they think they wasted their lives having a family rather than say, finishing college or pursuing a higher career
this isn't to blame women or social norms - it's just as understandable why women would feel that way, of course when you're told for 50 years that having a family is the sole thing to strive for so much so you don't even consider a career a possible reality but then suddenly 30 years later your daughter is able to be a PHD and CEO you start questioning your decisions yourself.
however this division between male and female boomers has been an intense cause of divorce. speak to almost any divorced boomer couple (shouldn't be hard, almost 2/3rds of boomer couples have at least 1 divorce) and you'll see some drips/inklings of this in virtually all of why they divorced - moreso because the vast majority of these divorces are initiated by the wife
the oversimplification of this is "men just want women to go back to being housewives" or "women just have more freedom to divorce abusive men" - and yes, these people exist of course. however there are swathes of old men who feel like men don't have a place in society because they legitimately don't know what it is if they can't be a head of household; this doesn't mean they literally want to be an authortiative household single income "dictator", it's that the idea of them being breadwinners to them isn't mutually exclusive to womens' rights, so they don't understand why the position has A) been deprecated and B) how to deal with that. Meanwhile, many older women view the openings of womens' freedoms as a path toward lives for both younger women and to an extent themselves to participate in alternate lives they wish they could have had opportunities for.
This is not actually a gendered topic, it's an economic one misconstrued as being about gender. Boomer men are going to be more willing to vote for candidates who espouse - NOT "traditional values" - but rather paths to returning to meaningful societal employment (not just having a job but having a job with material meaning/social effect). Boomer women on the contrary are going to be more willing to vote for candidates who espouse broader complementary social views that allow paths toward more ambigious economic freedoms.

krishna bound

2y

people act like old men just blindly hate women not understanding that old men (and old women too) grew up in rapidly different times where the fabric of what it meant to literally live in society was different - and no, i do not mean this about anything related to social views/social issues, i mean these completely economically
consider that many older men grew up in a time where it was told to them holistically by all measures of society that their sole worth and value was the ability to attract a women and then provide for a family economically. over time, these norms have changed - consider that women could not even get credit cards legally until the mid-late 70s, and then in reality couldn't without their husbands until the 90s.
the idea of women having careers that actually competed with men - no less were equal to them - did not realy substantially enter mainstream public conscious until the 90s-00s; prior to this, yes feminist movement exists and women had jobs, but the mainstream association of men was still "breadwinner". the role of "head of household" was still seen as a primarily male job.
by that time of the late 90s, most boomers already had at least 1 child (in many cases multiple). imagine a situation where you - for at that point almost half a century - lived in a time where you were told your sole value was the ability to provide for your family, and then suddenly your wife starts to feel unhappy because they think they wasted their lives having a family rather than say, finishing college or pursuing a higher career
this isn't to blame women or social norms - it's just as understandable why women would feel that way, of course when you're told for 50 years that having a family is the sole thing to strive for so much so you don't even consider a career a possible reality but then suddenly 30 years later your daughter is able to be a PHD and CEO you start questioning your decisions yourself.
however this division between male and female boomers has been an intense cause of divorce. speak to almost any divorced boomer couple (shouldn't be hard, almost 2/3rds of boomer couples have at least 1 divorce) and you'll see some drips/inklings of this in virtually all of why they divorced - moreso because the vast majority of these divorces are initiated by the wife
the oversimplification of this is "men just want women to go back to being housewives" or "women just have more freedom to divorce abusive men" - and yes, these people exist of course. however there are swathes of old men who feel like men don't have a place in society because they legitimately don't know what it is if they can't be a head of household; this doesn't mean they literally want to be an authortiative household single income "dictator", it's that the idea of them being breadwinners to them isn't mutually exclusive to womens' rights, so they don't understand why the position has A) been deprecated and B) how to deal with that. Meanwhile, many older women view the openings of womens' freedoms as a path toward lives for both younger women and to an extent themselves to participate in alternate lives they wish they could have had opportunities for.
This is not actually a gendered topic, it's an economic one misconstrued as being about gender. Boomer men are going to be more willing to vote for candidates who espouse - NOT "traditional values" - but rather paths to returning to meaningful societal employment (not just having a job but having a job with material meaning/social effect). Boomer women on the contrary are going to be more willing to vote for candidates who espouse broader complementary social views that allow paths toward more ambigious economic freedoms.

Fries

2y

Trump/Piece of Trump's Right Ear ticket otw

Sonic Winter

2y

The Donnie we know is back!

rather late

2y

How could you rightfully point the changing gender roles and dynamics and the effect this has and then say its not a gendered issue

Its a gendered issue because the divide is literally by gender lmao

Sonic Winter

2y

The Donnie we know is back!

rather late

2y

How could you rightfully point the changing gender roles and dynamics and the effect this has and then say its not a gendered issue

Its a gendered issue because the divide is literally by gender lmao

CrimsonArk

2y

Motherfucker couldn’t even last til his speech.

CrimsonArk

2y

Trump/God ticket incoming.