Oct 15, 2025
HeatwavesIf we're going to have this talk, we're also gonna have to have an uncomfortable conversation on how most of these artists rely on other people to build an aesthetic for them and do the heavy lifting, hence why everything feels so like a copy/building off the past
Most of these creatives aren't even treated properly either lol
- Oct 15, 2025·1 replyHeatwaves
Here's the thing, are we trying to be rappers or pop stars. I really think the last thing this genre needs is more people striving for that.
i think it just needs more people like Mink who care a lot about the art itself, and the music, and aren't entirely financially motivated
Oct 15, 2025HeatwavesHere's the thing, are we trying to be rappers or pop stars. I really think the last thing this genre needs is more people striving for that.
- Oct 15, 2025tupacarti
i think it just needs more people like Mink who care a lot about the art itself, and the music, and aren't entirely financially motivated
Feel like this gen is the exact one for that unlike the street rap wave and some of the 2016-2018 wave which is why I like it great shout on mink people like him, Jim legxacy, che, osama, xav, untiljapan, doechii clearly do it for the art and are passionate about what they love and don’t wanna compromise their vision
- Oct 15, 2025!https://youtu.be/W3bFMTAED4o?si=F301GViWvpmzK8oO
AgainThis is beautiful I hope we get a deluxe with beat it on it
- Oct 15, 2025
HazyeyefreakmonstrSomeone make a resident evil edit for inferno
Oct 15, 2025·2 replies
hayabusathey having deep discussions in the osamason album thread
how this site should be
Oct 15, 2025fun guyhow this site should be
yeah I love reading stuff like that, keep the paragraphs coming fr
- Oct 15, 2025
S/o indicaslut an molly santana, they been on this sound
- Oct 15, 2025·1 reply
I wanna represent this energy in the form of visual art
- Oct 15, 2025Hazyeyefreakmonstr
I wanna represent this energy in the form of visual art
So real deadass
- hayabusa 🌐Oct 15, 2025·1 replyfun guy
how this site should be
i agree but i dont really think osamason is the kind of artist that warrants that type of talk
dude has 0 personality in and outside of his music
- Oct 15, 2025·editedtupacarti
I heavily disagree these new artists do want to be the biggest, I mean a lot of them are literally instantly pigeon-holed within a comparison to a bigger act, much like how Osama Season caused instant comparisons prior to Ken dropping AGC, and then facing instant backlash + industry blackball behavior with Ken telling producers not to give him beats lmao
Che & Osama have been pretty public too about wanting to be big, in their recent interviews, from Osama saying he wants to headline not just be a name on a festival list, and Che saying he intends on going mainstream around the release of RIB and even went on to say that he hates the underground term because he feels like it places him in a box
I don't think commercial appeal is what will make people take rap serious, I just think it's time for a new unavoidable face like the 2010s had. The 2020s don't have a Tyler, Rocky, Kendrick level figure yet, is all I'm saying
And part of the reason a lot of these new artists don't think in that punk manner like you described anymore, when it comes to them not wanting to be "big" and anti-label (pretty much any new rapper that's bubbling is signed to something nowadays) is because of how fast the discovery is for these acts, causing a lot of labels / A&Rs having such a fast point of access in pursuing these underground acts
Now that you bring up that first point about the underground not wanting to be that big / tied to labels, it makes me miss acts like Black Kray who were purposefully anti that. Imo that ideology has faded since labels are not very important anymore, hold little weight when it comes in the actual momentum build / blow up of musicians, and really just is a bank to musicians at this point.
Not every artist has to really put that much thought into each release, but the ones that aim to be this huge, unavoidable star do. At the moment many have the thought to be, but ultimately go with the flow, and don't plan grandiose rollouts. I'm just of the opinion that if someone did, it would be pretty legendary and in my opinion: punk. It's something that not even someone like Carti was able to do (WLR and Music were messes of rollouts). But in a way...Carti being so haphazard with his releases is legendary and rebellious in it's own way...
So much to think about...The label point I wouldn’t fully agree with tbh there’s more independent artists than ever and people signed to indie labels and those who are signed it’s not interfering with their vision at all they aren’t getting songs from the label like asap rocky out the gate with a 3 mil dollar deal having to sacrifice an album for radio hits, I do know che and osama wanna be big yea but that’s on their terms not the way someone like big Sean does lol to say a spectacle of highly controlled more traditional ways of putting out music is more rebellious somehow I inherently disagree with these are rappers not pop stars not everyone is trying to be the face of the genre that’s the thing u don’t need to appeal to everybody and clearly che isn’t making rest in bass thinking oh I gotta have a song for everyone otherwise it wouldn’t be as good as it is I do agree with a lot of your other points tho def and I do think that type of rollout is something I want from ppl like Osamason but I think they just need to be in a dif phase of their career for that I don’t think it’s that time yet. U gotta understand man big rollouts ARE a label thing that’s just a old industry budget event thing that only happens if ur huge and have crazy budget
- Oct 15, 2025·edited·1 replyhayabusa
i agree but i dont really think osamason is the kind of artist that warrants that type of talk
dude has 0 personality in and outside of his music
he has a cool ass personality one of the best in the ug outside music lol hes just not like this loud extrovert or anything that long discussion we r having we all like his music lol if it didn’t have personality I wouldn’t like it
- hayabusa 🌐Oct 15, 2025·1 replyAndre Jaquet· edited
he has a cool ass personality one of the best in the ug outside music lol hes just not like this loud extrovert or anything that long discussion we r having we all like his music lol if it didn’t have personality I wouldn’t like it
not really no
- Oct 15, 2025·1 replyhayabusa
not really no
he’s just a calm guy bro does everyone have to be animated outside their music to have a personality lol anywho who cares we’ve talked about the music in length this thread has 7 pages and the artist thread had over 15 about it before.
- hayabusa 🌐Oct 16, 2025·3 repliesAndre Jaquet
he’s just a calm guy bro does everyone have to be animated outside their music to have a personality lol anywho who cares we’ve talked about the music in length this thread has 7 pages and the artist thread had over 15 about it before.
no one said he had to be animated i just dont know anything this guy likes besides hoes cars and flexing
nothing wrong with that exactly cos i already listen to a bunch of artists that do that but dont lie to me and act like he has more personality than that lol. ive seen some of his interviews and its the exact same thing, even his music videos are filled with some fake deep s*** that i know he dont believe in or care about
- Oct 16, 2025·edited·1 replyhayabusa
no one said he had to be animated i just dont know anything this guy likes besides hoes cars and flexing
nothing wrong with that exactly cos i already listen to a bunch of artists that do that but dont lie to me and act like he has more personality than that lol. ive seen some of his interviews and its the exact same thing, even his music videos are filled with some fake deep s*** that i know he dont believe in or care about
How do u know he don’t know or care about that s*** what an ignorant assumption to me u don’t know this person or anything. The pop matar video has literal diary entries from when he was a kid.
If u pay attention he has nuggets of vulnerability on every project so far, even though that isn’t his thing, I’ve never seen him talk about guns or d**** in his interviews.
And tbh I don’t think I needa know more than that for him or his music to have personality.
Buddy just likes to be in his shell till recently, he’s a positive music nerd that likes to play with his cats and s*** then lets loose in the studio, troubled past and used to act tough. Chill guy idk
- Oct 16, 2025·1 reply
Yall gonna have to give me the summary
- hayabusa 🌐Oct 16, 2025·1 reply!https://youtu.be/SGEuXb4LOkU?si=b6GdZiJH67_xM5Mf!https://youtu.be/HNjUyuyxTG8?si=4w-oZ8ofO7_ZkUrx!https://youtu.be/yDenof2Z7FE?si=-sKdqs24XezsRAULAndre Jaquet· edited
How do u know he don’t know or care about that s*** what an ignorant assumption to me u don’t know this person or anything. The pop matar video has literal diary entries from when he was a kid.
If u pay attention he has nuggets of vulnerability on every project so far, even though that isn’t his thing, I’ve never seen him talk about guns or d**** in his interviews.
!https://youtu.be/-jUOdlQf6Bs?si=BNuCrEmyU6N-pxi1!https://youtu.be/3guNqQ_cuYw?si=24DKwRR5aajkdH5P!https://youtube.com/embed/Tlqajtqsjcg?si=XHnTguVfFRo1_fP7!https://youtube.com/embed/7IaOZMTFyQ0?si=r9hSf74tpThBzJtO!https://youtube.com/embed/qMOSIyM86Po?si=cScKobe0z455RfRg!https://youtube.com/embed/OOAaoK8EGV4?si=5tNY1DuLgV_AdX-tAnd tbh I don’t think I needa know more than that for him or his music to have personality.
Buddy just likes to be in his shell till recently, he’s a positive music nerd that likes to play with his cats and s*** then lets loose in the studio, troubled past and used to act tough. Chill guy idk
linking 20 videos for s*** ive already heard isnt changing or proving s*** bro, that our generation interview is the exact s*** im talking about lmao. nothing in that interview is s*** i couldnt have gotten from his music already
- Oct 16, 2025·1 replyhayabusa
linking 20 videos for s*** ive already heard isnt changing or proving s*** bro, that our generation interview is the exact s*** im talking about lmao. nothing in that interview is s*** i couldnt have gotten from his music already
The interviews linked don’t say anything about guns or d**** dawg ur just being bad faith and mean spirited lol idek why ur here
He’s just a genuine guy man I think he has one of the most cool to be around personalities in the scene he just loves music
- hayabusa 🌐Oct 16, 2025·1 replyAndre Jaquet
The interviews linked don’t say anything about guns or d**** dawg ur just being bad faith and mean spirited lol idek why ur here
He’s just a genuine guy man I think he has one of the most cool to be around personalities in the scene he just loves music
never said anything about guns or d**** in any of my posts bro what are you talking about
- Oct 16, 2025·editedhayabusa
never said anything about guns or d**** in any of my posts bro what are you talking about
The interviews linked don’t say anything about hoes cars or flexing dawg he talks about like mental health, his love for his fav album, and like a bunch of little personal stuff he’s just a genuine good dude nothing wrong with that
Oct 16, 2025hayabusano one said he had to be animated i just dont know anything this guy likes besides hoes cars and flexing
nothing wrong with that exactly cos i already listen to a bunch of artists that do that but dont lie to me and act like he has more personality than that lol. ive seen some of his interviews and its the exact same thing, even his music videos are filled with some fake deep s*** that i know he dont believe in or care about
I think the distinction both of you guys were trying to come to is that Osama differs from his peers as he is a lot more open to communication and interviews instead of the "mysterious" gimmick.
That in of itself is probably the differentiating factor, but I get where you're coming from as well because in actuality he just seems down to earth more than anything compared to his peers.
- Oct 16, 2025Heatwaves
Here's the thing, are we trying to be rappers or pop stars. I really think the last thing this genre needs is more people striving for that.
The point I was initially speaking to wasn't really about artists making sacrifices in order to reach further audiences.
If anything, I'm speaking to the figures like a prime-Kanye or even what Charli's doing as he mentioned who are creative on their own terms and are reaching a lot of people.
I agree with you that a lot of aesthetics and branding are often very shallow in usage, but I also said that it's just really going to have to take an almost uncompromising artist who has a clear vision for what they want to do in order to achieve these things. Whether that vision is accomplished all by themselves or with a team of others.
