Oct 16, 2021·edited
FargoNew Zealand engages in imperialism. Thus they have money. Lebanon was created out of Syria in order to serve as a banking colony run by Christians for France and thus is trapped in its situation, not because of "mullahs" or that fact that people are religious but because of western imperialism and colonialism you dunce.
Again the country is not the issue here.. the fact that in the 21st century you can run a country without relying on conventional natural resources i.e fossil fuel is the point that I am trying to get across.
But you keep missing the point. You did it 3 times now. That's why I am officially diagnosing you with Donkey 🧠
Also why do you keep calling me self hating. How can I be self hating. My mother tongue isn't Arabic. I do not understand Arabic. I cannot be categorized as an Arab. Arabs wouldn't be accepting of that. So how can I be self hating for being critical of an ideology that its scripture was allegedly sent to us by the almighty in Arabic?
Instead of spreading hateful coments. Chill a bit. Listen to some music. I know you lot even frown upon that but I promise the lyrics will align with your "moral" code
- Oct 16, 2021·2 repliesFrankito Reynolds
Multiple reasons
1. S***ty universities. Iranian government funded universities used to be hard to get in but once you were in then graduation was just a matter of time. With the introduction of private universities now everyone can just pay the fees and get a degree. It no longer matters if you do good in school or pass an entrance exam as long as you have money.
2. Joining the army (2 year service) is mandatory. You have to join right after high school unless you are studying. People pay to go to uni so that they postpone going to army. If your dad is over 60 you dont have to go to the army instead you have to take care of the family. Going to the army in Iran doesnt pay btw. People stay at Uni till they get PHDs just so that their dad turns 60 lol.. had a mate at uni he wasnt even dumb but failed papers on puropose waiting for his dad to turn 60 before he graduated.
2. Trades dont pay well. Tradies are lower class citizens. The islamic republic has made it so that poor hazara afghans do most the labor work with little pay no unions or papers. Because the islamic republic regimme of mullahs is inherently racist too.
Having said that becoming an engineer doesnt pay either unless you as an individual suck ass and spend most of your time in uni sucking up to the establishment and got your laminated Basiji (regimme supporter) card. That's why Iran is also a country with the largest number of people with degrees driving taxis for a living!
Government doesn't put a cap on how many doctors or engineers the country actually needs. Iran is a country with the most number of specialists with the s***tiest health care system sadly. They make people pay for the covid vaccine that they claim they produce themselves!
Mullahs have turned universities into a business and a place to spread propoganda. Their aim is to distract the youth instead of educating them. Take a look at the number of mandatory unrelated bullshit religious papers one has to pass at uni in Iran! To add to the insult the government in Iran has moral police lurking all around and basiji student #1 duty is to snitch on the male and female students that are being too friendly and people with different ideologies. F***ing imagine living in a country with s***snitches around you.
Them basiji students who do the deed and snitch the hardest later get them scholarships and become "Doctors" and are given management positions. That is why the country is f***ed. Idiots are in charge!
All this may be true about flaws in the Iranian university system but I dont believe your characterization that the regimes go to tactic when faced with difficulties is just "pray and hope for the best"
I think the regime is very aware of scientific realities its why they invest so heavily in defence and nuclear. Obviously if they didn't have strong maritime and air defences the would of got Desert Stormed a long time ago
Also I've worked with quite a few Persian grad students who studied in Iran left to their PhD internationally theyve all been very strong
I agree their are issues sure but I think most of these are related to the economy which are more to do with the sanctions imposed on the country then internal mismanagement
- Oct 16, 2021·1 replyaktvinye meropriya
All this may be true about flaws in the Iranian university system but I dont believe your characterization that the regimes go to tactic when faced with difficulties is just "pray and hope for the best"
I think the regime is very aware of scientific realities its why they invest so heavily in defence and nuclear. Obviously if they didn't have strong maritime and air defences the would of got Desert Stormed a long time ago
Also I've worked with quite a few Persian grad students who studied in Iran left to their PhD internationally theyve all been very strong
I agree their are issues sure but I think most of these are related to the economy which are more to do with the sanctions imposed on the country then internal mismanagement
I guess everyone is free to believe what they wanna believe.
Hope you find the truth in your journey keep asking questions...
Defence and military.. s*** like that gets developed under all dictators....to protect themselves. Im surprised you align those "achievements" (majoroty are pretend btw) as proof that they want the best for the people.
To some levels I take great insult to that. My close friend in university in Iran was on that plane that got rocketed down by Iran's own military just a couple years ago.
Oct 16, 2021·1 replyaktvinye meropriyaAll this may be true about flaws in the Iranian university system but I dont believe your characterization that the regimes go to tactic when faced with difficulties is just "pray and hope for the best"
I think the regime is very aware of scientific realities its why they invest so heavily in defence and nuclear. Obviously if they didn't have strong maritime and air defences the would of got Desert Stormed a long time ago
Also I've worked with quite a few Persian grad students who studied in Iran left to their PhD internationally theyve all been very strong
I agree their are issues sure but I think most of these are related to the economy which are more to do with the sanctions imposed on the country then internal mismanagement
I get what he's saying to some degree. To be fair he hasn't discounted the problems of western imperialism or meddling (whether in this thread or otherwise), but my assumption is that he leans toward blaming the country's leaders because other countries who also faced historical western meddling (i.e. Vietnam) have managed to still be very successful and evolve past that because of their leadership class. That said, I don't know if I really agree with that 100%, like yeah flawed leadership classes create additional problems, but the sheer level and types of western meddling are greatly distinct. However at the same time, I mean, I don't even know if that is what he's really saying because he also claims people like Assad are doing a bad job and western puppets in spite of the actual unprecedented level of western meddling in that country, so i don't really know what he's getting at in terms of expectations
- Oct 16, 2021·1 replyFrankito Reynolds
I guess everyone is free to believe what they wanna believe.
Hope you find the truth in your journey keep asking questions...
Defence and military.. s*** like that gets developed under all dictators....to protect themselves. Im surprised you align those "achievements" (majoroty are pretend btw) as proof that they want the best for the people.
To some levels I take great insult to that. My close friend in university in Iran was on that plane that got rocketed down by Iran's own military just a couple years ago.
Would you agree that because their are so many STEM grads coming from Iran, this is an indicator of the regime recognizing the importance of STEM?
In contrast to another resource rich country like saudi arabia where their university system is beyond awful and they have to import 90 percent of the petroleum engineering staff on their own oil fields because they lack the technical expertise to run anything
- Oct 16, 2021·1 replykrishna bound
I get what he's saying to some degree. To be fair he hasn't discounted the problems of western imperialism or meddling (whether in this thread or otherwise), but my assumption is that he leans toward blaming the country's leaders because other countries who also faced historical western meddling (i.e. Vietnam) have managed to still be very successful and evolve past that because of their leadership class. That said, I don't know if I really agree with that 100%, like yeah flawed leadership classes create additional problems, but the sheer level and types of western meddling are greatly distinct. However at the same time, I mean, I don't even know if that is what he's really saying because he also claims people like Assad are doing a bad job and western puppets in spite of the actual unprecedented level of western meddling in that country, so i don't really know what he's getting at in terms of expectations
I guess my point is just that Iranian leadership must be doing something right strategically or else they would have ended up like Iraq a long time ago
- Oct 16, 2021aktvinye meropriya
Would you agree that because their are so many STEM grads coming from Iran, this is an indicator of the regime recognizing the importance of STEM?
In contrast to another resource rich country like saudi arabia where their university system is beyond awful and they have to import 90 percent of the petroleum engineering staff on their own oil fields because they lack the technical expertise to run anything
No. It is because iranian people are smart and smart educated people lean more toward those fields because they can see it is the future. Why should the f***ing government get the credit?
- Oct 16, 2021·1 reply
the problem is with learning arabic is that its really a collection of dialects, and MSA is essentially useless in practical terms. It depends why you're learning it. If you want it for academic or career reasons you should learn MSA. If you're learning it for a specific reason (say family history) it's worthwhile to hone in on a dialect and learn that. Most supplementary resources teach MSA but things still carry over to dialects, so it's not as if MSA is completely useless, but learning MSA should be looked at as more of memorizing a dictionary as opposed to learning a language
- Oct 16, 2021·1 replyaktvinye meropriya
I guess my point is just that Iranian leadership must be doing something right strategically or else they would have ended up like Iraq a long time ago
I just don't really understand what the expectation is on his end. Should they just fold and cooperate with the west and disregard their own self-determination and become puppets? Should they fracture even more in hope of civil war providing a better outcome in 20 years? I don't think anyone is arguing the current regime there is amazing or running a paradise, but i don't know what the expectation is for them to do, even if your main gripe is Islam, dropping Islam fixes nothing in the country's situation
- Oct 16, 2021·1 reply
Lebanon rejoining syria would be interesting syrian christians have always been treated very fairly under Assad maybe the catholics specifically would rather form their own break away state probably with the help of France and maybe Israel
- Oct 16, 2021·1 replyaktvinye meropriya
Lebanon rejoining syria would be interesting syrian christians have always been treated very fairly under Assad maybe the catholics specifically would rather form their own break away state probably with the help of France and maybe Israel
are there even really that many remaining catholics in the middle east in non-westernized areas? I thought all of them went to gulf countries. Isn't it basically just orthodox left outside of there or am I mistaken?
- Oct 16, 2021·1 replykrishna bound
are there even really that many remaining catholics in the middle east in non-westernized areas? I thought all of them went to gulf countries. Isn't it basically just orthodox left outside of there or am I mistaken?
Wikipedia says its 60/40 Catholic Orthodox
- Oct 16, 2021·1 reply
I'm learned, I'm still not really fluent though. I've been learning gulf dialect basically.
dialects are very diverse, and can sometimes appear as almost different languages that use a shared alphabet and sentence structure! and this isn't even getting into languages which use the same (or modified alphabet) but with different structures (i.e. Urdu, Pashto). You can more generally get around somewhat with shared basics so it's not as if you need to learn everything, but in terms of conversational dialogue or understanding that's what makes it hard. Also some regions (i.e. Moroccan or Libyan, sometimes Egyptian too even) are COMPLETELY different, like virtually not understandable even to native speakers from say, Jordan or something.
the above is an example of top-level categorizations of which regional dialects are taken from at their root.
Levantine-Gulf has the most overlap so learning either of those is probably recommended (and covers the most land), but keep in mind there are words between the two (moreso in Levantine) that don't carry over or only exist in their counterpart dialects.
- Oct 16, 2021·1 replyaktvinye meropriya
Wikipedia says its 60/40 Catholic Orthodox
Damn that's crazy, I didn't know that. That actually surprises me a lot. I wonder when that data's from, is that recent?
- Oct 16, 2021
Hezbollah has had decent lebanese christian support in the past especially in the 2006 war against Israel but the footage of the fighting in beirut from yesterday was apparently Hez against a lebanese christian militia not the state security forces
- Oct 16, 2021·edited·1 replykrishna bound
I just don't really understand what the expectation is on his end. Should they just fold and cooperate with the west and disregard their own self-determination and become puppets? Should they fracture even more in hope of civil war providing a better outcome in 20 years? I don't think anyone is arguing the current regime there is amazing or running a paradise, but i don't know what the expectation is for them to do, even if your main gripe is Islam, dropping Islam fixes nothing in the country's situation
Dont need to have any expectations. I just choose to see things for what hey are
No one should fold to the west.
What the regimme should do is a referendum. Ask the people if they want the current islamic republic or a secular one.
Dropping islam fixes everything. The regimme is corrupt. The mullahs are corrupt. People get the management position based on their belief for f*** aake.. why wouldnt it fix things?
- Oct 16, 2021krishna bound
Damn that's crazy, I didn't know that. That actually surprises me a lot. I wonder when that data's from, is that recent?
2008 US state department report maybe things have changed
- Oct 16, 2021·1 replyFrankito Reynolds· edited
Dont need to have any expectations. I just choose to see things for what hey are
No one should fold to the west.
What the regimme should do is a referendum. Ask the people if they want the current islamic republic or a secular one.
Dropping islam fixes everything. The regimme is corrupt. The mullahs are corrupt. People get the management position based on their belief for f*** aake.. why wouldnt it fix things?
I don't see any point in doing this, the two views are incompatible with each other, and the other side is going to complain about the outcome and the issue will persist regardless of referendum. Being an islamic or secular country also doesn't really inherently fix anything with the country. I understand your point about Islam as applied to geopolitical motivations, but just being frank much of Iran's policy is basically using Islam as an illusion for more general policy without direct application. If your issue is just with the Ayatollah for example, i'm not really sure if getting rid of Khamenei is going to fix anything other than change change social discourse. The other alternative is bringing back the Shah, which should basically be the same as folding to the west?
- Oct 16, 2021·1 replykrishna bound
I don't see any point in doing this, the two views are incompatible with each other, and the other side is going to complain about the outcome and the issue will persist regardless of referendum. Being an islamic or secular country also doesn't really inherently fix anything with the country. I understand your point about Islam as applied to geopolitical motivations, but just being frank much of Iran's policy is basically using Islam as an illusion for more general policy without direct application. If your issue is just with the Ayatollah for example, i'm not really sure if getting rid of Khamenei is going to fix anything other than change change social discourse. The other alternative is bringing back the Shah, which should basically be the same as folding to the west?
Dropping islam fixes everything. The regimme is corrupt. The mullahs are corrupt. People get the management position based on their belief for f*** sake.. why wouldnt it fix things?
- Oct 16, 2021·1 replyFrankito Reynolds
Dropping islam fixes everything. The regimme is corrupt. The mullahs are corrupt. People get the management position based on their belief for f*** sake.. why wouldnt it fix things?
What specifically would dropping islam fix given the geopolitical situation Iran is in, like actual specifics, not presumption about implications
- Oct 16, 2021·1 replykrishna bound
What specifically would dropping islam fix given the geopolitical situation Iran is in, like actual specifics, not presumption about implications
Paves the way for people who deserve it to get management position based on their skill not how deep their zebiba prayer mark is.
You are talking to someone who has gone to job interviews in iran and been asked what time the morning prayer was that day!
- Oct 16, 2021·1 replyFrankito Reynolds
Paves the way for people who deserve it to get management position based on their skill not how deep their zebiba prayer mark is.
You are talking to someone who has gone to job interviews in iran and been asked what time the morning prayer was that day!
But this same thing happens in a secular society, doesn't it? Instead of unfair promotions being based in religious tenets they become based in familial relations, nepotism and connections, shifting of capital, ideological consistency, etc.
Policy itself is always disconnected from management and representation, isn't it?