Vicko77

9mo

My 3 big problems with this
- the resolution of the hill chase sequence was so anti-climatic, it was such a big "that was it?", the writing felt very lazy on this
- Willa needed to be way more fleshed out, she felt more like a device than a character. There's a huge hole on this film that should have been filled with more father & daughter and Chase/Regina scenes
- the previously mentioned Lockjaw's final scene

Vicko77

9mo

My 3 big problems with this
- the resolution of the hill chase sequence was so anti-climatic, it was such a big "that was it?", the writing felt very lazy on this
- Willa needed to be way more fleshed out, she felt more like a device than a character. There's a huge hole on this film that should have been filled with more father & daughter and Chase/Regina scenes
- the previously mentioned Lockjaw's final scene

Jonboi

9mo

It can definitely be argued, I said the same thing to my friend. I wonder if he gets more screen time than Leo when you add it all up.

Jonboi

9mo

I'd argue that part of the reason the resolution to the hill chase sequence is anticlimactic is cause Bob doesn't do s\*\*\*. You said you like that it's subversive, but I think it comes with a cost. Even in movies like The Big Lebowski or Once Upon a Time in Hollywood with "useless" characters they're either impacting the plot or getting small wins.

Jonboi

9mo

would you have felt more fulfilled if the third act was more conventional? like, if Bob would have gotten a hero moment? or if Lockjaw was shot by a character we cared about? or if the chase at the end was with Lockjaw instead?

Vicko77

9mo

nah, not at all. I would have even preferred the Vineland resolution (in which Leo's character have even less input) or something like No Country For old men, where there's no confrontation at all which would have been way more truthful to PTA and Pynchon

or at least give me a Once Upon a Time In The West typa final duel with the epic music between Willa and Lockjaw I don't know, there was so many ways to make this a total triumph but he went ahead with the most underwhelming one

Wigga Scientist

9mo

Filmmakers must feel like how rappers did when GKMC or IYRTITL dropped with this s*** mane
Back to the drawing board

Jonboi

9mo

so then, is Lockjaw getting shot like he did part of what makes it anticlimactic? the final chase scene is with a character we're not all that invested in. PTA was definitely going for matter of fact, realistic, "this is just where the story led me", but it seems like you wanted more grandeur and emotion. I did too.

Vicko77

9mo

nah, not at all. I would have even preferred the Vineland resolution (in which Leo's character have even less input) or something like No Country For old men, where there's no confrontation at all which would have been way more truthful to PTA and Pynchon

or at least give me a Once Upon a Time In The West typa final duel with the epic music between Willa and Lockjaw I don't know, there was so many ways to make this a total triumph but he went ahead with the most underwhelming one

Oscar Winner

9mo

Not me

NunTheWiser

9mo

hmm interesting— see for me, in a movie that is potentially the most crowd pleasing PTA film in his filmography, the decision to just have Willa shoot him semi quickly and then it be over seems like the PTA thing to do, rather than give us some crazy western cinematic showdown with musical swells and monologues.

Wigga Scientist

9mo

Name to post ratio accurate

NunTheWiser

9mo

But I also love the ending that Sean Penns character gets. Thrown into the incinerator because he’s an aspiring nazi who didn’t pass the test… hilarious and ironic

Oscar Winner

9mo

Ima thank you personally in my speech

WRU

9mo

the top letterbox 'review' for this movie is the cringiest thing youll see today

NunTheWiser

9mo

hmm interesting— see for me, in a movie that is potentially the most crowd pleasing PTA film in his filmography, the decision to just have Willa shoot him semi quickly and then it be over seems like the PTA thing to do, rather than give us some crazy western cinematic showdown with musical swells and monologues.

Vicko77

9mo

im just spitballing of what things could had make that scene not so underwhelming, but for me the ideal final "showdown" would have been like that final scene in inherent vice between doc and bigfoot (the one where he eats the weed) but make it willa and lockjaw, that would have been way more truthful to pta and pynchon

and it would have skyrocketed this to my top 3 pta at the very least